In Reply to: Waiting on more DTS titles. posted by MiKe on May 9, 1999 at 18:20:54:
I don't want to spoil your wait for DTS but you may want to reconsider that it will ever take off; a nich market. HDTV is inevitable as it is a standard.
Here is something that transpired recently ay the newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: DTS - what is the difference?
From: srrndhound
Date: 5/6/99 11:00 AM EST
Message-id: <7gseba$38p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>In article <7gcv85$9a2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
ddelgrosso@my-dejanews.com wrote:> > And how could they--with the encoders under lock and key?
>
> The decision to provide encoding services versus selling encoders is a
> business decision, and has nothing to do with secrecy. We have always
> welcomed professionals interested in using DTS to audition the
> encoder/decoder process with their own source material, and have often taken
> encoders into the field for this purpose.Why don't you try this little story on the folks at Sound & Vision? They
certainly requested an encoder from you and got none. You are the one who said
"the MOST IMPORTANT test... the comparison of each soundtrack, directly to the
master that it was encoded from," yet you prevented them from doing it.> The dialnorm setting does affect dynamic range and signal-to-noise in most
> decoders.That is the choice of the manufacturer. Maybe most of them believe it's a non-
issue (as do we). Those who don't are quite able to avoid it, and they do. In
any case, it's not a coder issue.
> > DTS titles appear to add 0.5 dB gain (by our admittedly limited tests on
very few titles where we have access to the master.
>
> The DTS process adds no gain. You refer to "limited" tests, "few" titles, and
> you say you "can't prove it"... so why say anything at all?Because if what you say about DTS gain being 0dB is true, then I have no way
to reconcile your unsubstantiated claim that Dolby tracks play back 5 dB
lower unless it is because you are deliberately inflating the number to try
to reach the "almost one bit" figure you quote. The dialnorm value imposes
4dB attn in most movies, and we make this fact well known. Where did you come
up with 5dB? Did you measure it? Against the master or against the DTS
version? If you agree it is a mistake, then why not fix your Q&A?
> Bass management alters the levels among the channels by definition.Really? How so? Maybe by DTS's definition of creating an LFE track while
mastering, but not by ours. Sorry, you are wrong. This should be corrected
also in your Q&A.
>Various
> levels are also affected if the original 5.1 mix is altered to facilitate
> downmixing (which is exactly what 6 different engineers told us they are
> doing).Then that's the master the Dolby Digital processor delivers intact. It is now
quite humorous to see YOU, of all people, arguing that the coding system
should be blamed for what the mastering people choose to do. And by the way,
this process (if and when it is done at all) is not to alter what the 5.1
listener hears, only what the 2-ch downmix sounds like. In fact, if there was
some concern that the 5.1 track was being aesthetically altered (which can
mean certain dismemberment in Hollywood), they would just use a separate 2-ch
mix.> DTS is spreading false information?
Yes, as I succinctly illustrated.
> I just returned from a dealer convention, and guess what? Three different
> executives directly confronted me with their concern over the fact that Larry
> Poor from Dolby Labs had just told them that DTS was "going out of business".
>
> What is the justification behind this pathetic behavior? Do you have any
> proof? Of course, you don't... because it's simply not true!It was DTS's own licensees that came TO US with stories of Chapter 11 and the
like. These didn't originate here. And guess what? Your own investors called
twice trying to sell us DTS, lock, stock, and barrel. Seems they want to
recoup their investment before it's all gone. We're not the only ones they
called, either. No takers yet, I guess.> Quite frankly, Mr. Dressler, during my 30 years in this business (representing
> several successful companies), I have never encountered this type of
> competition. The relentlous onslaught of lies and false accusations that Dolby
> employees continue to disseminate about DTS, easily represents the most
> underhanded behavior that I have ever witnessed.DTS has been so belligerent and foul that we finally had to stand our ground
and respond to the baseless charges and unrelenting hype to set the record
straight. The piles of garbage that DTS has poured out over the years has
been truly amazing. Beard, Neighbors, Slusser, and now you, Mr. DelGrosso,
have done more to sully your own reputation than we ever could.And if you think we are the instigators, didn't you notice how quiet it was
around here until you signed on again after your absence and started right in
with more misinformation? As long as you persist, we'll be there to correct
you. Don't let us all down by actually fulfilling your promises to leave the
NewsGroups. It's all so entertaining.--
Roger Dressler
Dolby Laboratories
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