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In Reply to: RE: "No, I am an advocate of higher capacity for HD optical formats." - Phony, straw-man argument. posted by Audiophilander on December 19, 2007 at 01:12:29

>> Capacity can be increased by adapting a multi-layer strategy as HD-DVD purports to eventually do, when it's called for. <<

LMAO...so you care about hypothetical capacity but not real capacity. Too funny. HD DVD is already using a two-layer approach. And Blu-ray can theoretically hold a few hundred gigs--far beyond HD-DVD's theoretical limitations.

>> Extra capacity isn't required for most films, only extras such as documentaries and short subjects. <<

We've been over this. The limitations of HD DVD are already affecting bitrates, audio content and other decisions that impact the quality of releases...unless you don't mind if a film is split over two discs.

>> Who really gives a darn whether the non-essential extras are on the same disc as the movie? <<

I usually don't care, although there are occasionally some featurettes and other worthwhile material that are important. It would be nice to get those in HD as well, but you won't find that on an HD DVD.

>> Nice misdirection, Jizz, but we weren't comparing high definition video formats, we were comparing two differing videotape systems that had similar goals: <<

No we weren't.

>> Really? So, if HD-DVD researchers managed to triple the formats capacity overnight using multi-layer application of media and Blu-ray was slow to match it or there research couldn't side-step serious problems arising from the short focal length of Blu-ray's laser, would you switch from being a Blu-ray fan-boy to being an HD-DVD advocate? Inquiring minds want to know! <<

Better yet, have the HD DVD camp fold under the condition that Blu-ray is renamed HD DVD. You've got the greater capacity/bandwidth, so that's all I care about. Which is what I've been saying from the beginning. You're the idiot who can't focus on capacity as a critical issue here.

>> If one can't tell the difference between a 1080P presentation on Blu-ray and the same presentation on HD-DVD, then obviously "good enough" is a relevant consideration. <<

We've been over this before, auphl. Warner and other studios playing both sides are using the same content for both formats, dumbing down the capabilities of HD and refusing to capitalize on the advantages of Blu-ray. To then come along and say "I can't tell the difference" is silly.

>> BTW, you really need to learn how to quote in the proper context, dude. The "most consumers can't tell the difference" misquote related to VHS/Beta comparisons, which weren't high definition by any stretch of the imagination. <<

Well the subject here is formats--superior vs inferior. You proudly starting braying about the irrelevance of VHS being "good enough". That is EXACTLY analogous to your position here. I'm simply pointing out that your position proves you do not care about quality or choosing the superior format. ADMIT IT already.

>> What I said was: "FYI, in it's fastest speed VHS was close enough to Betamax in quality that most consumers could rarely (if ever) detect a difference in performance or PQ." That's just a statement of fact. <<

It's also a statement of fact that most consumers prefer McDonald's to sushi. Would you rather eat crap or fresh fish? I just raise the question to show you that your argument flies in the face of what you purport to value: quality. You clearly have gone over to the "good enough" way of thinking.

>> The "capacity is snake oil" quote you've alleged also misrepresents my position, <<

Then you've misrepresented your own opinion because you accused me of peddling snake oil in EXACTLY that context.

>> but UNUSED capacity which is hyped as being important in lieu of content when doing A/B comparisons of high definition movies that have exactly the same quality transfer IS snake oil. <<

It's unused because HD DVD has dumbed down HD video for both formats. Studios aren't going to produce the same content twice for a handful of consumers. It's not that complicated auph. Do you really not understand that? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. You're not all that bright or detail oriented.

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