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In Reply to: Re: Many of your arguments about plot similarly would eviscerate Batman, posted by Analog Scott on July 18, 2004 at 08:29:52:
be discovered from the context (if I meant the 2 or 3, I'd have qualified: you didn't have a similar prob w/Batman?).
I was discussing plot: Hamlet's is weak and much of it is contrived. A guy walking around for 4 hours wondering if he should kill his Uncle whom a ghost has told him killed his Dad. Right. Brilliant.
If you know much of Shakey, you know he borrowed plot lines. He didn't care about it, he was after something bigger.
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"be discovered from the context (if I meant the 2 or 3, I'd have qualified:"OK, I just wasn't sure. I fail to see many of the kinds of problems in Superman that I cited in Spiderman II.IMO Superman is vastly superior to Spiderman II. The set ups were not contrived and illogical within the mythology that the movie establishes. Superman's/Clark Kent's problems do not defy basic human rationality as far as I can remember. I also have no recollection of such heavy handed shots as the ones I cited in Spiderman II nor do I recall such a chessy ending as per my complaints of Spiderman II. I fail to see any of the failings in Superman that I cited in Spiderman II based on my memory of Superman.
"you didn't have a similar prob w/Batman?)."Actually I did but I thought it would be obvious via my comment on Superman. I didn't particularly like Batman either.
"I was discussing plot: Hamlet's is weak and much of it is contrived."You are talking about one of the greatest plays ever written. I completely disagree with your opinion. The plot is one of the greatest ever written. But feel free to cite anything in the plot that is contrived other than the established mythology in the play.
A guy walking around for 4 hours wondering if he should kill his Uncle whom a ghost has told him killed his Dad. Right. Brilliant.
That is a really poor synopsis of the plot.
"If you know much of Shakey, you know he borrowed plot lines."One can argue that plot lines are always borrowed. But please feel free to cite a play predating Hamlet that closely follows the plot of Hamlet.
"He didn't care about it,"I think he did.
"he was after something bigger."
He was an artist of unique stature amoung all artists ever. He is the only one to arguably be the very best at his art. The comparison between Hamlet and Spiderman II is very hard for me to address without being just plain insulting. I think it is absurd.
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