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In Reply to: Re: I'm surprised you now say "No." posted by Gee LP on June 13, 2005 at 18:45:29:
By such behavior you entirely miss the thrust of what historians who disagree with the consensus reality we are brainwashed with in school are trying to tell us. Your loss."If the Japanese were suckered into doing
something, don't you think they are suckers?"Yes, but no different from the American populace who were led by the nose to believe it was a just and worthy war.
And the Republicans who dissented at the time? Why, toss 'em in jail! That was FDR's solution. He called them something like, "Nazi boot-lickers and Jap ass-kissers". A familiar phraseology...
clark
PS End of the line on this thread.
Follow Ups:
Here.You know, I probably think differently on some political issues than say, Victor, for example, and several others on this board. But at least when you ask Victor a question he answers it and lets you know what his answer it. You ask him why he thinks what he does and he tells you (Sorry, Victor, for comparing you to clark! I hope you understand). You don't. You hide behind your sarcasm and refuse to give a straight answer. You are still doing it today. Oh wait, this little back-and-forth is your answer. This tells me all I need to know. Fine.
In one of your earlier posts, you did bring up an interesting point of history. And the U.S. Naval Institute has a good post on the subject. Others can see it at the link below. If they don't mind looking at the "consensus reality we are brainwashed with in school."
"And the Republicans who dissented at the time? Why toss 'em in jail! That was FDR's solution." You will have to give me some numbers on this in the future. I can find over 36,000 conscientious objectors who were tossed in jail. The majority of these had non-religious objections to war. Many were Jehovah's Witnesses. More numbers? Over 400 people were convicted in sedition prosecutions. About half were African-Americans, who gave speeches along the line that "the Japanese want help you and give you back your culture." The other half were mainly members of the German-American Bund. And of course thousands were investigated for those 400-plus convictions. And I am not forgetting the worst of our nation's repression: the internment of 110,000 Japanese-Americans. The Institute for Historical Review's website "Not Just Japanese" at http://wwww.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p285_Hummel.html examines U.S. repression of other viewpoints during World War Two.
And the vast majority of Republicans in 1941? Oh wait, they bought the "consensus reality", and proudly served their country with honor. Ronald Reagan, for example, even though his eyesight limited his service to making training films. I know, you could point out that he was a Democrat then. Okay, how about "Tail Gunner Joe" McCarthy? One of the few complimentary things I can be forced to say about him is: he served his country in World War Two. Richard Nixon was compared by those he served with in the Navy to "Mister Roberts"! And I suspect that 99.9% of Republicans you know today, clark, would not have dissented, and would have served.
I have deleted two MUCH stronger drafts of my posts which I accidentally sent. But if you wish to quote from one of these deleted posts, hey, that's okay. You think that means that I miss the thrust of what you and your revisionistic historians believe. I disagree. I think it means I get EXACTLY what you and your historians believe. But don't worry, you aren't alone, there is someone else in Louisiana who thinks the same way you do. And he pens the FDR-bashing Axis mash note much better than you do. Just go to http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=169 and you'll find someone who believes the same historians you do.(I apologize for not putting in more links but I do not know how to put 3 optional link URLs in one post. But if I can only do one, then the link below is the one I choose to put in. A quick copy-and-paste of the URLs into the address bar should allow you to go to the sites I have cited with little problem.)
I agree that this thread has probably gone on too long, especially considering this is "Film/DVD Asylum," and I appreciate the moderators allowing us our say on this topic hijacking. So let us go to our respective corners, clark. We can take this up again another time if we choose to, "Outside."
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