 
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
|
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
221.165.250.250
In Reply to: Re: Best Bond film does set a low bar posted by Analog Scott on December 12, 2006 at 08:05:03:
Firstly I disagee with most points you are making regarding style. This is an action film with a character Called James Bond who is supposed to be the world's best killing machine. Therefore he "should" be able to hang in with all the Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan's of the world and not only that beat them! That is the character and the action sequences in this film represent an actor able to do such scenes. The fight scenes at the beginning of this film are stylistically similar to the closing fight scene as well as the fight in the stairwell.Taking the opening Jackie Chan fight scene at the beginning of the film well no need to watch past that if you are not willing to suspend your disbelief. For a James Bond film it was more realistic than most. Believable? Well of course not because if a James Bond existed then Bin Laden's head would be on a stick two days after 9/11. One day of which to get the flight.
The card game scene is a series of convenient plot devices no arguing that from me. It sets up primarily the only one liner in the entire film. Should Bond ask for help - nah this is a rough around the edges epic ego's. Showing weakness - he'd rather die - as it turns out he did. The girl walking by is another convenience to the plot - though she is no dummy and she can recognize that device as heart paddles. Gee there is a wire loose and only one place for it to go - let's stick it in there. So I'm with you on the fact that she happens to be near by at the most convenient time - but not on what to do with the wire. And I am also quite willing in such movies to "fill in" the cutaway scenes. Perhaps she saw Bond out the window and went out to him - or saw him leave the room.
Why Kill Bond in the first place? Well Bond was the primary adversary in the game and look what was at stake.
You point to one action film that is flawless in your view -- how about giving me a list of 25 action films that are superior -- preferably something that made 50 million at the box office so it might actually be available to some of us.
By the way I can write a 3000 word essay on exactly why Citizen Kane and 81/2 are complete pieces of crap - I don't have to agree with what I write but I can write it from a logically strong position. Casino Royale is hardly a perfect film - but it is still the smartest most realistic film in this series aside from perhaps On Her Majesty's Secret Service, but that film was so hampered by it's lead actor as to knock it down several pegs.
Goldfinger? Yeah a guy throwing hats at people to kill them while a robber is going to gas the entire army to blow up Fort Knox to devalue the dollar. And you are worried about the preposterousness of the Bond girl seeing Bond in his car to save his life? I mean Casino Royale is the least preposterous Bond movie of the lot by a lot. It is also the only Bond movie in 20+ years that actually creates a character rather than a cartoon. The merits the film has outweighs some editing and plot convenience issues.
Follow Ups:
1. Terminator
2. Terminator II
3. Aliens
4. The Blues brothers
5. The seven samarai
6. Raiders of the lost ark
7. house of flying daggers
8. hero
9. crouching tiger hidden dragon
10. Enter the dragon
11. drunken master
12 star wars 9the original)
13 The matrix
14 Kill Bill I
15 The wild bunch
16 Die HardThat is just off the top of my head. these are not just better they are hugely better.
I have given Casino Royale 4/5 stars.To see the rest of your list you have indeed provided some that are better and some that are vastly overrated and even more supposedly idiotic than Casino Royale. Some I'm leaving off because they are not truly in the same classification - CTHD is a better film but hardly in the same genre.
1. Terminator ****1/2 (This is actually one of the best films of the 1980s for me and not because of the action adventure - I happened to think it was one of the most effective romance films of the decade and a lot done on a little money.)
2. Terminator II **** (Most like it better than the original I do not but I have it higher than Casino Royale). This film has convenient timing as well - the directors cut fixed up some of the mistakes and I would add 1.2 star to the director's cut version.
3. Aliens (****1/2 though CR is better than Alien) - Alien was more of a slasher flick in space while Aliens is the better film in terms of holding up over the years.
4. The Blues brothers (** never understood the appeal from this flick)
5. The seven samarai (***** Should not really be on the list as the films are wolrds apart -- but it's a great movie - one of the 100 best on my list)
6. Raiders of the lost ark (***** The best action adventure film of all time - One of the best films of all time - still holds up extemely well).
10. Enter the dragon (huh? - This may be hailed as the great martial arts film -- but that's like saying the Big Mac is the best fast food burger - like who cares? - Unwatchable trash and Kill Bill may be inspired by it but Quentin knows how to direct)
12 star wars 9the original) Cowboys and Indians in space (****) That is essentially the depth of the plot. It should not really be considered action adventure - though Science fiction/Fantasy is a reach - still it is closer to sci-fi/fantasy than action adventure. Empire Strikes Back (*****) is better than both! I enjoy Star Wars for the tongue in cheek nature and because it sets up the better Empire Strikes Back. The Return of the Jedi however was a weak "let's sell Ewoks to the kids" money grab and the series should have died there and then. Episode I was the first film in a decade that I shut off half way through - it was insufferably bad with Jar Jar possibly as annoying as Michael Jackson on helium (which is redundant).
13 The matrix (***) This is perhaps the most overrated film I've seen and while good it is a total rippoff of a 1974 Doctor Who episode right down to the Matrix itself. Indeed that same Doctor Who episode has the lines "Resistance is Futile" so it's no wonder where the American creators get all their supposed "orginal" ideas from. Add in the wooden acting and zero character development in the matrix and the only reason it musters *** from me is that at least it is visually impressive. The rather boring obviouness of the exercise means it can only be sat through one time -- and it was not good enough for me to sit through the sequels. Keanu Reeves hinders he film as well with his one note wooden performances.
14 Kill Bill I (Kill Bill Vol II was better) as a Set I prefer it to Casino Royale - but this is a preposterous duo of films with preposterous situations, action sequences, story line and even the premise. I loved it though (****1/2) for the 2.
16 Die Hard (**1/2) Yes those Cops sure do have Marine James Bond calibur training. The idiots on the ground are some of the most incompetantly handled people in film history. (Paul Gleeson's character is completely unbelievable and serves no other purpose than to fill time badly.) Nobody this dumb could be a deputy police chief. Great action - good villain - better than the horrendously awful second picture.
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Top of Page ]
[ Contact Us ]
[ Support/Wish List ]
[ Copyright © 2024, Audio Asylum, all rights reserved ]
