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In Reply to: Re: It always annoys me when I am aware of holes... posted by RGA on December 18, 2006 at 19:26:53:
"He is a 37 year old actor no? The man is ripped. To be ble to do all that Bond is capable of doing - he ain't 25. So you are reading a lot of holes into things that don't exist."WTF? what does the actor's age have to do with the price of tea in China much less the plot holes in the movie?
"It's like the scene where someone below is arguing that Vesper happens to be walking through the parking lot. These issues can easily be explained away in cutaway scenese -- maybe she saw him from the window and went down - or saw him leave the game and followed.
Films do actually occasionally require the viewer to fill in what is not directly stated. Though yes some people like everything spelled out word for word."Actually it requires the film makers to create plausable explinations to fill in the holes. This one is ridiculous. She was in the fricken casino when he left. If she saw him go to the car then she saw he was in distress. so her casual "oops look what I stumbled upon" discovery of Bond, dead in the car, was STUPID. Not to mention that she just happend to know what he was trying to do with his gadget and was able to fix it with no knowledge of the device. These are minor issues compared to some of the holes in this idiotic movie. Lets not forget that he goes back in and continues the game as if nothing happened. No, there wouldn't be secret service people from both sides of the pond all over the place would there? No, no one would try to nail the girl for trying to kill Bond would they? Of course not. And no one was smart enough to use this as a legitimate reason for postponing the game and putting the preasure on the guy that way? No, to smart and too boring. well that is the fault of the film makers for putting their cards in ::couh:: a card game. A stupid idea through and through that simply lead to more and more stupid plot holes. You know, like the one where the bad guy loses the game and goes unprotected by any secret service people for the night even though there were at least two foiled attemtps to kill him during the game. Yeah that aint fricken moronic. Again I could go on and on becuase the movie is soooooo stupid but I am getting as bored talking about it as I was watching it. But I have to mention the stupidest part (already mentioned but I feel it deserves rementioning) the fact that the new airplane not being destroyed would do NOTHING to cause the guy to lose that money he is holding for terrorists. WOW WOW was that a major screw up. This movie was three stylistically different demos for stuntmen doing chase scenes, one boring card game and one stupid twist and a ridiculous visual effect of a building coming down for ten minutes. WOW sooo bad.
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Actually you must have been watching something else."This one is ridiculous. She was in the fricken casino when he left. If she saw him go to the car then she saw he was in distress. so her casual "oops look what I stumbled upon" discovery of Bond, dead in the car, was STUPID."
Actually you are WRONG. When James takes the poisoned drink there is an extended shot of him looking at Vesper who is looking at him (concerned). Bond then gets ill gets up walks directly IN FRONT of Vesper in obvious distress and picks up pepper and a glass. Goes to the washroom and takes the pepper and glass. The very next frame has James RUNNING to his car being hit by one as horns are blaring away. He gets to his car and not more than 1 minute passes (It is so obvious that she was not "strolling through the parking lot as YOU CLAIM, but she has gone after him. How do I know the time is under 2 minutes because Bond is on the phone with MI6 who are telling him what to do as they are scanning his blood to figure out which cure to give him.
The scene has Vesper arriving in huff - she obviously was following him. The one loose wire -- well there is a squarish box connected to him - the one on the right is inserted the one on the left is not. Any half-wit looking at this would think gee maybe I should put the loose wire into slot B and Push the BIG RED BUTTON as it's the only one there.
"Lets not forget that he goes back in and continues the game as if nothing happened. No, there wouldn't be secret service people from both sides of the pond all over the place would there? No, no one would try to nail the girl for trying to kill Bond would they? Of course not."
Well you must not of understood the entire plot. Le Chiffre was the villain - but he is only USEFUL if he loses the game. The woman who tried to kill Bond is not LeChiffre so here villainy is secondary. You must not understand how policing works -- see if you want to topple the big guys you don't blow your cover arresting the small potatoes.
"You know, like the one where the bad guy loses the game and goes unprotected by any secret service people for the night even though there were at least two foiled attemtps to kill him during the game.
Wow did you ever blow this - that is trly funny. Firstly there was no plot to kill LeChiffre - man where were you. Two terrorists barge into Le Chiffre's room and demand their money. See Le Chiffre is a Private banker - he is taking terrorists money and investing it on insider information so he can make hundreds of millions of dollars WITHOUT the terrorists knowledge. The Terrorists can not set up bank accounts of their own due to the US freeze on accounts post 9/11 (which M references as the time period of the film).
So Le Chiffre offers them a safe haven private bank but he makes millions investing in sure bets. Le Chiffre bets wrong with the new plane which Bond stops from being destroyed. Le Chiffre loses 100 million of the terrorist's money. He sets up a game 10 million buy in winner takes all which will recoup the money and save himself from the terrorists who will be angry at him losing their money.
The two terrorist barge into his room threaten to cut off the henchwoman's arm -- they leave the two unharmed - they did not try to KILL him -- it was a warning.
"the fact that the new airplane not being destroyed would do NOTHING to cause the guy to lose that money he is holding for terrorists"
Again you were not paying attention. Le Chiffre put the terrorists money on that plane never seeing the light of day. His plan would have worked if it were blown up. M explains that airline stocks hit an all time low after 9/11 and that someone made a fortune (guess who). She says that someone put up a large some of money again with the destruction of Star Fleet's prototype the company would have been near bankruptcy and that Le Chiffre lost 100 million betting the wrong way.
Logically this is sound plot - it isn't the most original and I would argue that it's convoluted to a degree - but it is covered well enough to not be called stupid - because it is clearly described and not wrong. It makes no mistakes leading up to this nor after the fact.
Vesper later provides a different account number which Bond does not see. She made a deal with one of the terrorist groups (who were blackmailing her because they had her brother). So she said she would give them all the money for Bond's life. They kill Le Chiffre.
It's a very tight albeit convoluted plot but there is no obvious error.
The other poster keeps talking about cases of cash - where? Ther eis no case full of cash. The cases has a computer wire transfer code keyboard inside it. This is not difficult to understand. Each gambler puts 10 million into an escrow account and the winner will have all the funds transferred to his account. The terrorists at the end however do not have the independant banker (that's why they went to Le Chiffre in the first place. So toward the end they are making their withdrawals before anyone is the wiser.
As for the comments about Bond being 37 - that was in reference to the poster who said LeChiffre made a comment about his body - the original poster got the quote WRONG to start with. He said "You've taken such good care of your body, such a waste." Why? Because Le Chiffre is about to whack is balls so much he will be useless to a woman.
So not only can't you guys understand the basic premise of the plot, you can't even site the lines properly or understand the meaning behind them.
Ohh and lastly the Mr. White - the guy with the case at the end after James is all wet holding Vesper's body. Original poster wonders why Mr. White and the case are dry -- umm because he left the henchmen behind to fight while he made it clear across to another building. No errors there? Does anyone watch the actual movie? Unlike Die Hard's paint by numbers made for grade 6 boys depth of plot.
And let's not praise the snappy dialogue between Vesper and Bond on several occasions. Chemistry was clearly there because Vesper presented Bond with an equal - which scares the hell out of a man like Bond. They even get the psychology correct.
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