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In Reply to: RE: You're serious? posted by DWPC on January 18, 2010 at 15:10:12
"You actually believe the "Robin Hood" myths about a man who personally killed at least one cop, and whose murderous partners were utterly ruthless."
You need to do some research. But you appear to have confused what I believe with reality. I never stated or even suggested that I believed the myth, only that there was a myth, perpetrated by Dillinger's demeanor. Your response admits there was a myth, which was my point, and that Depp accurately portrayed Dillinger. What you, nor anyone else has answered, is whether, one, Dillinger acted the manner which Depp depicted, and whether Depp accurately depicted Dillinger. Did the film show Dillinger shooting at people? Yes. Did it show him robbing from banks? Yes. So what was missing? Finally, please tell me.
Do you actually believe he was a teddy bear because he didn't do the killing personally?
Where did I state he was a teddy bear? I said he was a gangster. He was not a good guy. But Dillinger, by most accounts, was a likeable guy, despite the fact that he was a criminal. You've still not answered the question as to where Depp got the performance wrong, or was otherwise historically inaccurate.
"Gandolfini's Soprano was much more true to type."
Are you crazy? Gandolofini is playing a fictional character. The character IS a stereotype. Depp was playing a real life gangster. You seem to think that Depp should have changed Dillinger to fit your notion of how and what a gangster should act like. Further, how is Gandolifini's character based on reality, as opposed to Hollywood's version of reality? You really think John Wayne accurately depicted the real life cowboys in the old west?
You claim that Dillinger should have left the bad guys. You do not know your history. BFN joined Dillinger's gang. Dillinger did not like BFN's propensity for violence, and they parted ways. That does not make Dillinger a good guy, but it means that Dillinger did not agree with BFN's methods.
Now, how about telling me specifically how Depp did not capture the REAL Dillinger? Not the Dillinger that you created in your mind. Not the Dillinger you think should be molded by Hollywood characterizations.
"The drug gangs in Mexico sponsor soccer teams and orphanages. You must love those guys."
Now you just being juvenile.
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You pretty much gushed about what normal guy Dillinger was. That there was no "gangster" behavior for Depp to present. You're ignoring who the man was. It's not a documentary, it a dramatic representation of a violent man. And as for Gandolfini's Tony S., you'd be surprised. I grew up with some of those guys as neighbors.
"We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
I never gushed that he was a normal man. Here are my quotes: "He was playing Dillinger. I suggest you do some research on Dillinger, because he was generally well liked, and the citizens at the time actually liked him. Watch the actual video of the scene in which Dillinger was captured, and he really did smile with his arms around the coppers. The coppers really liked Dillinger."
Whether you like it or not, or are willing to admit it or not, that video speaks volumes about Dillinger, and much of the public sentiment about him. Have you ever seen any such videos relative to Bonnie and Clyde? Baby Face Nelson? Pretty Boy Floyd? Nope. Clearly, Dillinger was different. That is not my opinion, those are simply facts.
"That there was no "gangster" behavior for Depp to present."
Read my quotes: "He was likeable because he was the one gangster..." [I called him a gangster], "The point is that while Dillinger did bad things" [Not to worry, I later fill in the blanks on those bad things], "though he most certainly was a gangster" [there is that gangster again], "the film show[s] Dillinger shooting at people? Yes. Did it show him robbing from banks? Yes. [where did I ever, ever, suggest that shooting at people and robbing banks was 'normal?'], "He was not a good guy."
You are trying very hard to put words in my mouth, and attribute meaning to statements that were clearly not intended.
So, again, I'll ask the question for at least the second time. The film shows Dillinger shooting at people and robbing banks, so what do you think Depp's performance should have included that it did not, and, at the same time, made it factually correct? I think you would have preferred Depp to make Dillinger more of a prototypical gangster in order to satisfy your notions of how a gangster should act, when every history lesson on Dillinger tells us he did not act like every other gangster.
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