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In Reply to: RE: Sorry Joe, but I beg to differ. posted by Audiophilander on October 21, 2007 at 00:42:43
I guess the secret's out that I don't buy audio or video gear based on looks (my CD transport is a Krell KPS-20t) nor on what I believe my relatives or friends will say/think about it (my digital video source is the PS3). It's my gear, I paid for it and I'm the one who uses it. Anyone who has a problem with that can exit through the door in which they came in from.
WAF
My wife thinks the PS3 is cool looking. As a matter of fact, she's the one who bought it for me. And since she's 36, it's not one of those twenty-something things going on here.
Sony
As you should know, game consoles are sold at a loss: the money's made through software purchases and other items to go along with the console and gaming experience.
Sony is made up of several different "smaller Sonys" that do not have to support each other. Remember all of the commotion that was made over Sony's DSD/SACD division not getting SACD releases from Sony's own label, Sony Music? Same applies here: SCEA does their own thing (games, consoles, etc), Sony Pictures does their own thing (theatrical releases, home movies, etc) and Sony Electronics does theirs (receivers, DVD/Blu-ray players, etc). Through SCEA, the PS3 got its price via the usual console pricing route -- discount and make up the money elsewhere. But Sony Electronics doesn't do subsidies, so no discounting of the hardware occurred as in the gaming market.
Re: Blu-ray hardware, prices will come down (more than they have already) and capabilities/features will be increasingly supported. The next few months will be interesting.
"The problem with acquiring an over-designed game console as one's high-end video platform is that it lacks the proper elegance to fit in with other components in a top-notch A/V system."
I hate to tell you this, but if the PS3 internals were put in a stand-alone player, A/V snobs still wouldn't be satisfied unless it lost the ability to play games and had a different name. But if you really wanted a player to "fit in with other components in a top-notch A/V system", you'd be looking at Denon's upcoming DVD-3800BDCI Blu-ray player, not demanding a stand-alone Blu-ray player with the PS3's capabilities for $250 + free shipping.
Follow Ups:
...if you're right about it being in the $250 range, but nothing you've said has dispelled my concerns about SONY or the technologies they support.FYI, I've been burned by SONY products and heavily hyped technologies before, or rather their slow support and out and out lack of support (fast roll-out & quick obsolescence) for products they hype. I'm sure that this isn't true across the board, but you have to understand that not everyone is going to line-up behind a manufacturer or that manufacturer's new technology just because of the hype associated with it.
The amount of extra space available on a given high resolution disc doesn't impress me, especially if the mastering results in virtually the same quality image on both competing formats and that hyped space isn't utilized for extras or a noticeably better picture from the increased bandwidth.
The bottom line for me rests in several areas: 1) movies & videos that I desire to collect in high definition, 2) glitch free performance and 3) competitive pricing of hardware and software.
The early adopter arguments don't impress me either. If something is being marketed to achieve a certain level of performance, then I expect the product(s) to live up to the advertising with very few roadblocks. If a product doesn't live up to expectations, then IMO it isn't ready for commercial sale to the general public.
> > > "My wife thinks the PS3 is cool looking. As a matter of fact, she's the one who bought it for me. And since she's 36, it's not one of those twenty-something things going on here." < < <
That's fine! Some folks like abstract art, too; it's all a matter of personal taste. I didn't mean to imply that you or anyone else who purchases a SONY Play Station is immature or anything like that. What I meant in bringing up the WAF issue is that spousal considerations are a factor for many folks (based on the number of discussions on AA's boards) even if it isn't an issue for you and your wife.
> > > "Re: Blu-ray hardware, prices will come down (more than they have already) and capabilities/features will be increasingly supported." < < <
They'd better, or Bill Gates is gonna kick some serious fanny! I wouldn't be surprised if HD-DVD prices fall to match anything SONY announces. I don't know how deep SONY's pockets are, but I'd never bet against Microsoft coming from behind to win by a (held) nose even though I don't like Microsoft's cutthroat business model. The bottom line: If Blu-ray is going to "blow up folk's skirts" then they're going to have to offer much more in the way of major films that folks want as well as genre films and classics, and those films will have to play without glitches.
So far, HD-DVD is doing a better job of supplying the movies I want and my Toshiba HD-A20 player has worked very well (without hiccups), but if Blu-ray were to issue certain highly desired (single inventory) titles it would probably persuade me into taking a closer look at buying a Blu-ray or dual format player sooner than planned. As I've stated several times before, I have no dog in this hunt.
> > > "The next few months will be interesting." < < <
On that we can definitely agree! :o)
AuPh
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