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In Reply to: RE: Thanks :-) posted by racerguy on February 21, 2008 at 12:15:03
I can agree to most of what your write.
Yes, transmitting normal signals and upscaling in display/projector can be the best solution, because it can be optimized to compensate for the display.
And most likely SONY have spent a lot of money on the upscaling in your projector. That projector is the sweet spot of the current market.
I am also puzzled about your and mine NTSC and PAL upscaling experience.
Could it simply be that SONY optimize US products for NTSC and EU products for PAL?
Size versus quality.
Yes, it is tough to get both.
In some ways, the best picture I have seen was my old 27" 4:3 SONY broadcast monitor. PAL worked very well on 27".
The ability to show light reflections sparkle from polished brass was superb.
My current 36" 16:9 SONY tube TV is less good, but have a bigger screen.
Still it is in some ways better than a projector, so I keep it.
But people are doll sized, that is not nice.
All the projectors do even less light, that is why we black out the room, and black resolution become important.
But size is essential for the cinema experience, people should be closer to life size, so I have a projector.
Going from 27" to 100" is 13.7 times more area, so I need 13,7 times more pixels. But full HD only give me about 5 times more pixels more than PAL.
So I do agree, going above 100" is causing too many problems, unless you need to seat many people.
Going to a good cinema, I get far more pixels than Blu ray offer.
Here I also see the same picture problems in some movies, as I do on my own projector, so rest asured, I am not guessing.
I have always said, that hardware investment should follow software investment. I have 40 years of excellent stereo music software, so I spend my money mostly on stereo equipment. Beethovens 9th will never be boring to hear again.
I never saw the point of spending much money on movies with DD sound and DVD picture quality, which I watch 2-3 times.
Due to Blu ray and concerts, I think this will change for me, but I need to build up a software collection, and currently there is only 35 concerts on Blu ray.
Currently I am developing some new stereo amplifiers and active loudspeakers, for the above Euro 200.000 market.
My clients are currently willing to spend much more on stereo, than on HT.
I feel the same way currently.
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> > I am also puzzled about your and mine NTSC and PAL upscaling experience.
Could it simply be that SONY optimize US products for NTSC and EU products for PAL? < <In the US, nearly all video products other than front projectors (which are made for a world market) are hardwired and optimized for NTSC, regardless of manufacturer. People who are interested in non-US media get players/displays that support both NTSC and PAL, or do conversions between the formats, but I suspect that this group represents less than 1% of the US population. Most Americans don't even know (or care) that other parts of the world have different broadcast standards.
> > I never saw the point of spending much money on movies with DD sound and DVD picture quality, which I watch 2-3 times. < <
I understand. I did and do see the point though, because I do not find cinemas to be an enjoyable experience. I haven't been inside a cinema in Europe in a long time, but here in the US cinema theaters are very unpleasant. Everything is too loud - the movie, the patrons, everything. On top of that, most moviegoers no longer even try to be considerate of others in the theater, so people talk constantly or shout at the picture, cell phones ring, children scream and cry, etc. Because of this, I would rather watch movies at home where I can control the environment.
> > Currently I am developing some new stereo amplifiers and active loudspeakers, for the above Euro 200.000 market. < <
So, you're focused on the mid-market? ;-)
you suddenly made me understand the huge US market for expensive HT.
Naturally, with cinemas like that, plus trafic and parking problems, everybody with enough money want a good HT.
The Copenhagen cinemas compete on quality. And the Danish government funds a filmschool, a filmstudio, film production and technical education. This is considered needed for a part of our national culture.
Nordisk film run a chain of cinemas, and they on purpose set playback levels much lower than the THX standard.
Their most elegant cinema is Imperial.
Build as 1500 seats, improved seats reduced this to 1102 seats. 35 m (115 feet) screen to projector. Screen 15,7 m x 7.4 m (51x24 feet) Todd-AO curved.
2 pcs 40 year old Philips EL4001 DP80 "Todd-AO all-purpose projector for analog film 35 mm and 70 mm
Barco DP100 DLP projector from 2004
1998 THX checked 2 times pr year by THX.
Soundsystem JBL model 4675A-2. Playing Dolby Digital EX, DTS and Sonys SDDS.
Behind the Imperial screen are 6 loudspeakers. Paired to make L C R, each has 2x15" (model 2225H). JBL Bi-Radial constant coverage horn (model 2360A) and five JBL amps (model 6260).
Subwoofers are two 120 kilo (260 lbs) JBL (model 4788), driven by two JBL 6290 amps. Each subwoofer has 2x18" JBL K151.
Surround is 18 stk. JBL 8333 and 6 JBL pro 3.
If you go in the daytime, there might be 100 other people in the 1102 seats, no phones, no talking, nice sound levels. Evenings you can enjoy an elegant well stocked private bar before the show.
Re mid-market: Yes, I try to offer value for the money :-)
I saw a USD 450,000 pair of loudspeakers in stereophiles guide.
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