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In Reply to: RE: I don't know where this sense of entitlement comes from posted by Jazz Inmate on February 18, 2009 at 20:58:16
>>> "Studios need to protect their distribution rights on home video..." <<<
You are obviously not very well briefed on this subject. Apparently you think that folks who buy imported movies and television shows are buying bootlegs. Ummm, let me see, how do I put this: NO!
Clue #1: Folks who buy imported movies and series do so legally, for a variety of entirely legitimate reasons. All royalties and levied taxes are paid and the studio of origin receives whatever is owed them.
Clue #2: Folks who buy DVDs from other regions may have a favorite movie or series not available at all in this country, or not available unedited. Sometimes it's an issue of buying the best mastered version. Often these are regionally popular shows or expanded movies that would not have sufficient interest to warrant a second international release in NTSC format.
>>> "Sorry you don't like the rules, but they exist for a reason..." <<<
No offense, but do you ever tire of being a pretentious little ass-kisser?
The folks at Oppo chose to bend over and take it in the rear from the almighty BD Consortium (a bunch of egotistical pricks who seem determined to limit the potential of what may be the last sell-through disc delivered medium), but what their management apparently failed to realize is that compliance to the BD Cartel's rules is a "buy-in" to the riskiest Texas Hold'em game in the world. The guys sitting around this table EAT and shit small companies like Oppo because the 'rules' are designed to favor established manufacturers and overprotective studios with deep pockets, not mavericks who've been bucking the system for years.
Oppo could have resisted the Consortium's demands for DVD region locking and threatened to move their base of operations off-shore like the after-market market modded players which are growing in popularity (both region AND Zone free, BTW). I suspect that they will lose that edge as a result of the poor decision to 'play' by the BD Cartel's Draconian rules.
>>> "If you stupidly invested in DVDs not playable in your region, don't blame Oppo, blame yourself." <<<
You STILL don't get it do you? I have a couple of Oppo players already (all earlier Oppo players are region unlocked); I was going to sell one of them and buy the BDP-83, but if the new BD player isn't region free I'll pass and probably end-up buying an after market modded player.
When one has multiple players, preamps, receivers, etc., rack space becomes a very real issue. If the Oppo BDP-83 provided a one box solution at the proposed price point it would have been sufficient reason for me to invest in another Blu-ray player (allowing me to move my Oppo 983H and non-modded Panny BD player to my second system, which is less cramped for space).
Oppo let me down here (in more ways than one), but I doubt you'd be able to figure that out even with the roadmap I've provided. ;O)
AuPh
Follow Ups:
> > You are obviously not very well briefed on this subject. Apparently you think that folks who buy imported movies and television shows are buying bootlegs. Ummm, let me see, how do I put this: NO! < <
Never said you were buying bootlegs or doing anything illegal, so all three of you must have a guilty conscience if your first thoughts ran to that. I said studios can and will protect their home video distribution rights in the regions they have rights to distribute it. Makes sense, huh? If you're not in the region, you should only be able to access intellectual property, including digitally encoded movies, from the company that has legal distribution rights. But buying an imported DVD itself is not a crime and I never said otherwise.
> > Clue #1: Folks who buy imported movies and series do so legally, for a variety of entirely legitimate reasons. All royalties and levied taxes are paid and the studio of origin receives whatever is owed them. < <
Yes, but in many cases that studio only has rights for distribution in a certain region--not where you live.
> > Clue #2: Folks who buy DVDs from other regions may have a favorite movie or series not available at all in this country, or not available unedited. < <
i understand that, but often this arises because of edits that satisfy certain ratings bodies or other regulatory rules. Also, by buying an import and giving your money to a studio that has distribution rights in another geographic region, you are helping ensure that the studio that has distribution rights in your region loses a sale, thereby providing less incentive for them to issue the release. A better course of action might be to write to that studio and request the title.
> > No offense, but do you ever tire of being a pretentious little ass-kisser? < <
I don't see myself that way. Do you see yourself as a burned out leather clad stoner who adopts rebel-without-a-clue mentality on every issue under the sun? That's how I see you.
> > The folks at Oppo chose to bend over and take it in the rear from the almighty BD Consortium (a bunch of egotistical pricks who seem determined to limit the potential of what may be the last sell-through disc delivered medium), but what their management apparently failed to realize is that compliance to the BD Cartel's rules is a "buy-in" to the riskiest Texas Hold'em game in the world. The guys sitting around this table EAT and shit small companies like Oppo because the 'rules' are designed to favor established manufacturers and overprotective studios with deep pockets, not mavericks who've been bucking the system for years. < <
That was pretty stupid, even for you. All formats need to have rules that ensure enough openness, protection and distribution privileges to make it a viable medium. You won't be able to please everyone, but BD abviously pleased more consumers and studios than HD DVD because (I know this is still tough for you to see through the purple haze) HD DVD is dead and buried. Blu-ray is here to stay. Oppo wants to produce a BD player, so it will need to acquire a license and play by the rules.
> > Oppo could have resisted the Consortium's demands for DVD region locking and threatened to move their base of operations off-shore like the after-market market modded players which are growing in popularity (both region AND Zone free, BTW). I suspect that they will lose that edge as a result of the poor decision to 'play' by the BD Cartel's Draconian rules. < <
Thanks for that brilliant analysis, but I think Oppo's staff like things just fine here in the bay area.
> > You STILL don't get it do you? I have a couple of Oppo players already (all earlier Oppo players are region unlocked); I was going to sell one of them and buy the BDP-83, but if the new BD player isn't region free I'll pass and probably end-up buying an after market modded player. < <
Suit yourself. I'll buy the Oppo, if the new model lives up to the company's reputation.
> > When one has multiple players, preamps, receivers, etc., rack space becomes a very real issue. < <
Maybe if you didn't stupidly adopt HD DVD and buy so many HD DVD players, you'd have more room on your rack. By the way, were those Toshiba HD DVD players region-unlocked? Of course not. So it's pretty f'ing hypocritical of you to demand that BD players are region unlocked while holding HD DVD players to a different standard.
> > Oppo let me down here (in more ways than one), but I doubt you'd be able to figure that out even with the roadmap I've provided. < <
Oppo didn't let you down. You let yourself down and now you're blaming Oppo.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
> > > "...all three of you must have a guilty conscience if your first thoughts ran to that." < < <
That's a nice heaping pile of you-know-what. You are the sad clown who keeps beating his drum about "not following the rules" like some whiny brat upset that his fellow school-mates are enjoying something his parents won't allow.
> > > "If you're not in the region, you should only be able to access intellectual property, including digitally encoded movies, from the company that has legal distribution rights." < < <
Baloney! First of all, let's get one thing out of the way right now: intellectual 'anything' is above your pay grade. That said, as long as all party's receive the proper compensation for an item released in a free market economy for public consumption there is no 'intellectual' right of limit access of who sees it in which region. Everything else moves down the slippery-slope of censorship.
> > > "Yes, but in many cases that studio only has rights for distribution in a certain region--not where you live." < < <
That's the flimsiest argument fro region restricting I've ever read. If the distributor has no intention of marketing something outside of a given region because of it's limited mass market appeal then how are the intellectual property rights compromised if a consumer imports it? If the product isn't purchased then everyone along the chain suffers to a greater or lesser degree from the lost sales!
> > > "All formats need to have rules that ensure enough openness..." < < <
Those so-called rules are what limits BD acceptance. What you are referring to isn't openness, in fact, it's anathema (to openness)!
Well, I've taken enough time debunking your tomfoolery. It would be child's play dissecting the remainder of your post, but I have no interest in kicking more sand in your face from the sandbox your family cat uses. The issues are clear: you have one perspective, and it appears to be the minority POV. You may not have directly called us all bootleggers and pirates, but you've turned cart-wheels around here implying that you've taken the high-road while the rest of us might as well be highwaymen. Here's a clue: the road you're on and Oppo appears to be headed down is a dead-end.
AuPh
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