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In Reply to: RE: Huh? posted by Harmonia on December 29, 2009 at 09:48:41
All from the same thread discussing Avatar courtesy of the "classy" Jazz Inmate:
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/outside/messages/1290692.html
"gee, a film about an imperialist force invading foreigners for their natural resources ... If you have any doubt this is anti-American propaganda, you're a nutter of immense proportion. It's telegraphed in every sequence of the plot."
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/outside/messages/1290713.html
"what's sad is Jim is indoctrincated in the same anti-US tripe that enabled studio moguls pay for Avatar"
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/outside/messages/1290673.html
"i'd rather spend three minutes on the toilet"
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/outside/messages/1290695.html
"i think they first showed previews of this movie during the world series pretty obvious it sucked."
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/outside/messages/1290724.html
"truth, justice and the canadian way"
>>> "I enjoyed my 3D IMAX experience with Avatar but I don't think it's a great movie - I think Pandora is a marvelous creation but the same things I didn't like about Aliens and Titanic - simplistic plot, carboard evil villains, weak character development etc - are all there in Avatar. So Avatar is not a movie I'll likely own either, although I'm glad to have experienced it in the theater through large format presentation." <<<
I agree with your observations and also agree that this could have been a much better film (see link below). However, it is worth owning if for no other reason than it will be an awesome demo disc for any system, 2D or 3D and it's story, while flawed and unnecessarily simplistic in it's final realization is still a story worth telling time and again. I suspect that outside pressure from partnered studios (demands for a product) limited the original scope of this film.
>>> "But what is 3D gonna do for my favorite films? Other than Coraline, NOTHING. And politics has NOTHING to do with my opinion. It's a matter of personal taste - I don't think After The Wedding or Mulholland Drive or Children of Men or The Lives Of Others or Let The Right One In or Goodfellas or The Conversation are coming out in 3D. And those are my favaorite sorts of movies." <<<
Good points all. but in discussing the next generation of home entertainment when combined with the retroactivity of 3D front projection and direct view televisions and the likely increase in both future and classic computer animated films displayed in 3D (all current, past and future PIXAR films for instance) it does seem to have merit. And yes, IMHO this will add greatly to the immersive filmgoing and HT experience.
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...I generally avoid "Outside". :-)
Never say never, but I well know I'm not the target consumer for 3D.
I think it could be tremendous for gaming, however.
As for Avatar, there's many things I love about JC's films, but plot and character development aren't among them. I don't mind recyled plot elements, if done well. (How many stories are there anyway?)
But we've had cardboard cut-out villains in The Abyss (my personal favorite), Aliens, Titanic, and now Avatar - I think that has to indicate an intrinsic screenwriting weakness, not a mandate from timid studios. It keeps Cameron's admittedly visually accomplished and entertaining movies from transcending their genre, like say...2001. But Avatar is gonna be huge anyway, no matter what I think, and people who've fallen in love with it will gladly overlook its (IMO serious) flaws for its considerable virtues.
Auph doesn't have an aversion to crappy writing or poor character development. Probably because he's a crappy writer and a shady character.
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