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Re: vicious? You mean it was made to offend you? Swank knew about you

Posted by Victor Khomenko (M) on February 23, 2005 at 09:37:35

In Reply to: Re: vicious? You mean it was made to offend you? Swank knew about you posted by Analog Scott on February 23, 2005 at 08:35:43:

Did you intentionally set up to write a post consisting of only falacies? You succeeded. I don't even know where to start, and my time is limited these days, so I will just go point by point quickly.

***"No, I was seeing lame directing,"
How was it lame?

Purely a matter of perception and experience. It is fine with me if you like it. But this is the summary point - all those ones below combined do not give you good directing.

" albeit with a couple of good performances, all wrapped in a package overloaded with GRATUITOUS violence and cheap effects."

Gratuitous violence? You do know that this was based on a true story don't you?

You mean this is SOMEHOW related? It is not.

***How could an accurate (and by all acounts it was quite accurate) account of actual violence be gratuitous when trelling a true story?

How? Simple. If done with taste and sense of proportion.

I am surprised are you not actually upset at the director for only showing SMALL part of what happened - I am sure you realize that. She showed perhaps 5% of real event - does that make you unhappy?

How about the 45 minute long rape scene in the Irreversible? Is that a BETTER film, because of that? Heck, it also left out many, many juicy details. No closeups. No penetration. But those things surely happened in "real event" - so why not put them on the screen in detail?

You apparently don't realize that the director knew she had to draw the line someplace... that is good start... but she drew it way off.

Details... details... this is what separates lame from art.

***The horror portrayed was real. Yoy think it should be toned down? I don't. What "cheap effects" were there?

It sounds like you should spend some time watching films where REAL horror is created without resorting to primitive and gratuitous means. There are many of them. It has been done for decades by tallented directors, and doesn't represent some black magic these days - just the skills... the skill that director obviously lacked.

"I had to force myself to finish it. I am not too glad I did."

It is a hard movie to watch.

No. It is boring. Not hard.

***Some human truths are hard to look at. That doesn't mean the film was bad.

The film is bad, that is unrelated to the subject.

"Things like violence and all that other nasty crap should be done with good taste and moderation,"

***Seems like an oxymoron to me. violence is nasty. I see no reason why film makers should have to pour perfume on a nasty subject.

You simply don't get it. YOU are talking about parfume, *I* am talking about expressive means that are far stronger, but far less direct, than showing primitive violence.

***If a film maker is going to look at violence in the real world I don't think it should neccessarily be tamed down to lessen the blow.

Well, as I showed you above, it IS already great tamed down, so that is not the issue. The issue is that instead of simply reducing the amount, it should have been shown more strongly through better means. Simply showing twenty minutes of blood is never the most profound way... a good director can insite greater horror with hints, understatements, indirect alusions, that sort of things. Spend some time with the masters of horror film - I mean TRUE horror. Try the Repultion for starters. TONS of horror. No blood.

"esle it becomes just a big exercise in indulgence a'la Natural Born Killers, and all other things start to disappear."

***Accurate depictions of violence in the telling of a true story can hardly be indulgent.

Of course they can be, as is "accurate depiction" of many other facts of life. Going to bathroom? How about VERY accurate depition of that? Would the accuracy make it artistic?

But I think we are now making circles.

Back to moving boxes.

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