In Reply to: Yeah- and Citizen Kane should have been in color. posted by john dem on November 3, 2001 at 14:29:31:
1) >>> "...Citizen Kane should've been in color." <<<Only someone related to Ted Turner would even consider making such a remark. Not that I have anything against Ted personally, but colorization of B&W films was his grand scheme, if I remember correctly. [Yes, I realize that you're being facitious, but I kind of like the idea of your grimacing at the thought of any connection with Ted Turner.] :o)
FTR, I happen to love classic films, have an extensive collection of classic films in many genres on LD and DVD (silent & sound), and a library [that's books ;^)] containing a substantial amount of literature on film. So, you might want to reconsider implying that I lack proper respect of older movies or that my knowledge of cinema is somehow lacking!
2) >>> "Kubrick should have foreseen the advent of DVD's and shot it (2001) in 16:9." <<<
With all due respect, the release format of the original print wasn't even at issue! My problem with 2001 is that when viewed in any lesser format than Cinerama it loses something in terms of depth and overall impact. The success or failure of special effects shots especially in science fiction films determines a viewers "suspension of disbelief" and in turn reflects upon how well a film ages, as in whether it dates well or not. ALL films, classic and otherwise, are going to be subject to comparison with more modern films; my suggestion would be to get over it and get used to it!
3) >>> "So, the history of mankind is not grandiose enough for you? LOL!" <<<
No offense, but once again you seem to have missed the point completely. It's not that the SUBJECT wasn't grandiose enough (i.e., one might even be inclined to suggest that it was overly ambitious), it's that the script didn't really deliver an epic story. VISUALLY, presented in Cinerama, it was most certainly epic in scope. However, reduced to WS presentation the scope of the film loses a bit of it's edge (pun intended).
4) >>> "Kubrick should've used technology from 30 years in the future to make his film." <<<
2001 does make reasonable predictions about many aspects of space travel 30 years into the future, but seriously, this goes back to my second rebuttal point about all older films being subject to comparison with more modern films. The problem 2001 suffers from in my estimation is that it relies too much on what was cutting edge visual effects (i.e., for the times) in lieu of a solid story. The technical effects, startling for their time, combined with Kubrick's bold vision for the future brought people into the theaters in droves 33 years ago. Today, those same effects seem somewhat pedestrian (sorry, guys, but they do!) as does the slow pacing and ambiguous plot.
Note: As I mentioned in my earlier post, IMHO, Kubrick's next film holds up MUCH better than 2001 on every count! Like it's immediate predecessor, the film "A Clockwork Orange" conveys a vision of the near future, but unlike "Sace Odyssey" it's storyline deals with human interaction, isn't nearly as ambiguous and it doesn't seem the least bit dated.
5) >>> "And he should've included explosions, perhaps a giant asteroid heading for earth and some aliens- I mean that's *amitious* isn't it? Or perhaps something as ambitious as artificial intelligence?" <<<
Is that your concept of quality science fiction? Perhaps you should do a bit of research on Daniel Keye's SF story 'Flowers for Algernon' and the acadamy award winning movie "Charley" from the same time period as "2001...", view the movie, consider how well that movie has aged then come back and we'll talk some more about giant asteroids and aliens. ;^)
6) >>> "Welcome to cinema." <<<
Thanks! I'll just sit back and enjoy the show while you and your buddy Richy are out in the lobby baggin' popcorn; don't worry, I'll be glad to fill you in on what you've missed!
Cheers,
AuPh
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Follow Ups
- Nice sarcasm, even if woefully misguided. - Audiophilander 01:32:06 11/05/01 (28)
- You think that was sarcastic. - john dem 05:19:34 11/05/01 (27)
- Re: You think that was sarcastic..........uuurrr - demonica 22:29:03 11/06/01 (3)
- Dear Monica, please stay in the Sar Wars thread where Lucas needs your support. - john dem 01:32:01 11/07/01 (2)
- Re: Dear Monica, please stay in the S(T)ar Wars thread where Lucas needs your support. - demonica 00:07:30 11/08/01 (1)
- Thanks for correcting the typo, it should have been HIDDEN FORTRESS - john dem 01:13:07 11/08/01 (0)
- Yes, but I was being polite, ... - Audiophilander 13:00:06 11/05/01 (19)
- Re: Yes, but I was being polite, ... - demonica 22:37:12 11/06/01 (0)
- You are always polite, - john dem 13:56:59 11/05/01 (17)
- ... and you continue trying to insult my intelligence and that of other's here. - Audiophilander 16:07:09 11/05/01 (16)
- No...I pretty much insulted you directly. - john dem 16:59:12 11/05/01 (15)
- ... with all the sophistication of Vicomte de Valvert from the well known Rostrand play. - Audiophilander 02:03:24 11/06/01 (13)
- Re: Dunno about that, 'Phlounder - Bruce from DC 07:08:25 11/06/01 (4)
- I stand by what I said about Star Trek - The 'Motionless' Picture in it's original form, ... - Audiophilander 09:15:07 11/06/01 (3)
- DVD? I don't have no stinkin' DVD. - Bruce from DC 13:19:32 11/06/01 (2)
- Letterboxing alone is worth the purchase - padreken 15:12:55 11/06/01 (0)
- Wha-? TAPE & NO DVD! [8^o] Why, you, you... infidel, you! Ye has risen from the dark abyss Outside! - Audiophilander 14:08:00 11/06/01 (0)
- If he wasn't so pedestrian, Wise would be the Checkered Cab of directors... - john dem 07:07:39 11/06/01 (1)
- Ah, but if only your Eyes weren't Wide Shut. (nt) - Audiophilander 09:20:28 11/06/01 (0)
- Not so impressive to me - orejones 05:54:48 11/06/01 (5)
- Re: Not so impressive to me - demonica 00:39:56 11/08/01 (0)
- Robert Wise supposedly was forced to re-edit and re-shoot scenes for ... - Audiophilander 10:24:51 11/06/01 (1)
- You´re right: it was Carol Reed, not Karel Reisz. My mistake - orejones 03:18:33 11/07/01 (0)
- A minor point- - john dem 06:53:10 11/06/01 (1)
- Re: A minor point - orejones 09:09:27 11/06/01 (0)
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