Well Victor, no offense, but you seem to be one of the worst offenders at politicizing this forum.

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Posted by AuPh on February 5, 2002 at 14:21:26

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Jim, you presented your opinion in a reasonable fashion, ... posted by Victor Khomenko on February 5, 2002 at 04:56:29:

>>> "I would be more inclined toto think that it offended you because it demonstrated the stupidity of most of the Hollywood left." <<<

I was offended by the politicizing of a non-political forum with an
off-topic comment against Liberals in general; Mike's comment went beyond a critical examination of the actor or the actor's Liberal beliefs to insult everyone with a Liberal viewpoint. People like you further complicate the matter by throwing fuel on the fire. Your insinuation about the "Hollywood left" being stupid is a prime example. If I said that Chatlton Heston was "stupid" because he reflected the narrow-minded views of the Hollywood "wrong"-wingers I'm sure that folks like you would get on my case about dragging politics into the film forum. The "H" word is what comes to mind, and I'm not refering to Hollywood! ;^)

>>> "If you had any reason to doubt the validity of Alda's statemnt analysis, you could have provided some evidence, but instead you simply hysterically jumped in trying to squash any discussion of 'left-coast Dumb actors' of which there are many, many, many, as we all know." <<<

Two points:

First of all, the burdon of proof of Alda's intent to promote a political agenda in the interview on Inside the Actor's Studio" rested with Mike who simply used his interpretation of events to vent his political views on this forum. If his intent was to convince myself and others of Alda's intent to turn Inside the Actor's Studio into a platform for Liberal political views, Mike failed to convince me.

Secondly, THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION HAS NO PLACE IN THIS FORUM as I've stated repeatedly, but you apparently refuse to acknowledge this.

>>> "If you deny the simple fact that that left ideology has been coloring the American movie industry in more than one way, then you should simply take a closer look and the films produced in the last twenty years or so." <<<

How? Left-wing movie plots? Which one's? Provide examples! Perhaps you're impressions are the result of not seeing as much right-wing propaganda coming out of Hollywood as used to permiate the silver screen! FYI, I recall more right-wing preachiness in the film industry prior to 1975; there was very little emphasis on progressive social issues prior to that time with the possible exception of a few
highly regarded counter-culture movies and a slew of pop-culture films that are hopelessly dated. Of course, many of the gung-ho Hollywood war flicks from the 50's & 60's are hopelessly dated as are the "red-scare" propaganda films of that era; these tended to pander to the narrow world-view of the Conservative right. To make a long story short, yes, I do deny that the left ideology has been coloring the American movie industry; if anything the movies themselves seem
pretty balanced overall and much more reflective of real life. Insrad of John Wayne in the abysmal "Green Berets", we have Tom Hanks in "Saving Private Ryan" ....of course there'll always be "Pearl Harbor" for those who prefer a lightweight Conservative Hollywoodized viewpoint. ;^D

>>> "I think to be fair, if the left wing actors would only stop shoving their agendas into our faces, then we all would most likely forget about their immature points of view and happily moved on, ..." <<<

This is typical of the right-wing prattle which has no place on this forum! What are you trying to say here, dude? That the movies aren't reflecting YOUR OWN agenda enough? That the actors don't have a right to express their opinions publicly? The key comment you made here is about "...immature points of view..." which is just another example of
the wrong-headed polemic rhetoric which right-wingers try to push down everyone's throat. So, explain to us Victor, how does this comment belong on a board about films and DVDs???

>>> "How would you consider all those idiotic ribbons at the ceremonies? Apparently that is OK with you. Because you agree with those views? Or have you spoken for them to stop that display? If it is okay for them to stick it to us, it is OK for us to ridicule them for doing so." <<<

Fair questions. I consider ribbons as a popular means of expressing solidarity for causes, not all of which are Liberal causes by the way, and a reflection of compassion. Are you suggesting that they shouldn't wear them? Are you in support of a universal ban on ribbons which often reflect patriotic values or do you just want to ban them for actors who speak out publicly for Liberal causes?

>>> "You want to applaud the "masterpieces" like T&L and Philadelphia, but keep the truth hidden, to pretend that those are the products of purely artistic inclinations and not some political agenda of today." <<<

WOW! Talk about political rhetoric! I never said that Thelma and Louise was a masterpiece, nor did I say it was without an agenda, although not necessarily as strong a political one as you're implying. Philadelphia was a film I don't recall discussing in our earlier posts, but since you've chosen to bring it up, how do you perceive it as a politically leftist movie? I think that you're lost in the woods finding fault with the premise of Philadelphia and I suggest you consult some of your Log Cabin Republican buddies before getting stuck out there permanently!

Cheers,
Audiophilander

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Topic - Robert Redford. Great actor and great American. - edta 22:46:55 01/31/02 (41)

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Re: So what did you think of KST in "The English Patient"? - Victor Khomenko 18:44:53 02/01/02 (2)

English Patient (cont'd) - John Coombs 18:14:05 02/02/02 (1)

Re: English Patient (cont'd) - Victor Khomenko 04:41:31 02/04/02 (0)

Re: The Sting - padreken 15:55:54 02/01/02 (0)

Re: I thought that film... - Bolt_Snypr 15:48:44 02/01/02 (0)

Re: Robert Redford. Great actor and great American. - Aurelio S. 10:22:22 02/01/02 (0)

You are not kidding? - Victor Khomenko 05:12:36 02/01/02 (7)

"American", different Americans might define it differently - edta 21:34:58 02/01/02 (4)

Re: "American", different Americans might define it differently - Victor Khomenko 04:47:09 02/02/02 (3)

Thread hijack alert - mvwine 09:02:45 02/04/02 (2)

Re: Thread hijack alert - Victor Khomenko 11:57:02 02/04/02 (1)

Spacey's friend - mvwine 12:14:19 02/04/02 (0)

I just knew that would bring you out of the woodwork.... - late 06:03:36 02/01/02 (1)

Male bimbo is more like it.............. good male actors - Victor Khomenko 06:23:12 02/01/02 (0)

Re: Robert Redford. Great actor and great American. - mikenyc11764 00:27:06 02/01/02 (21)

Did you really need to turn your critique... - Audiophilander 06:52:24 02/01/02 (20)

Self-Absorbed Actors and their Worldviews - Jim Susky 22:23:46 02/04/02 (8)

Re: Self-Absorbed Actors and their Worldviews - Victor Khomenko 04:44:45 02/05/02 (0)

I didn't "mandate" anything, I just pointed out the disingenuousness... - AuPh 10:00:08 02/06/02 (1)

Re: I didn't "mandate" anything, I just pointed out the disingenuousness... - Victor Khomenko 11:35:10 02/06/02 (0)

Thanks Jim, you presented your opinion in a reasonable fashion, ... - AuPh 00:04:10 02/05/02 (4)

Re: Thanks Jim, you presented your opinion in a reasonable fashion, ... - Victor Khomenko 04:56:29 02/05/02 (0)

Well Victor, no offense, but you seem to be one of the worst offenders at politicizing this forum. - AuPh 14:21:26 02/05/02 (2)

Put that H word where it sticks - Victor Khomenko 14:37:21 02/05/02 (1)

Can't do that, you're already sitting on it & spinning. - AuPh 12:28:04 02/06/02 (0)

Re: Did you really need to turn your critique... - mikenyc 02:59:22 02/02/02 (1)

I'm well aware of it..., - AuPh 10:26:32 02/04/02 (0)

Mirror, mirror... - Victor Khomenko 07:20:10 02/01/02 (8)

His comment had NOTHING to do with the actor in question, ... - Audiophilander 11:01:51 02/01/02 (7)

Re: His comment had NOTHING to do with the actor in question, ... - Victor Khomenko 11:49:17 02/01/02 (6)

Good grief man, can't you see the difference? - Audiophilander 12:49:17 02/01/02 (5)

Re: Good grief man, can't you see the difference? - mikenyc 15:58:07 02/01/02 (4)

Re: Good grief man, can't you see the difference? - AuPh 05:57:51 02/03/02 (3)

Re: Good grief man, can't you see the difference? - mikenyc 06:46:34 02/03/02 (2)

I see that you've chosen the dark side of the force. - AuPh 10:06:46 02/04/02 (1)

Re: I see that you've chosen the dark side of the force. - mikenyc 14:34:30 02/04/02 (0)

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Well Victor, no offense, but you seem to be one of the worst offenders at politicizing this forum. - AuPh 14:21:26 02/05/02 (2)

Put that H word where it sticks - Victor Khomenko 14:37:21 02/05/02 (1)

Can't do that, you're already sitting on it & spinning. - AuPh 12:28:04 02/06/02 (0)

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