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We have seen posts that one shouldn't surprised to see people having problems playing newer BD discs, that kind of thing just goes along with being an early adopter, when the standards are still evolving. I think that is a bunch of (expletive deleted). I have been an early adopter for decades. I bought what I think was the first CD player, the Sony CDP-101. It still works and will play any CD I have, including the CD layer of hybrid SACD recordings. I bought a very early VHS machine (for $1400), and it played every VHS tape I ever put into it. My early DVD player has played every DVD I have put into it. But in all these cases a standard had been agreed upon.
If the standard is still evolving when you buy something, you are much more than an early adopter. You are buying the beta version of something, and you should be warned in big print, as you are with beta versions of software, that this isn't final, and may change. It may not even work in the end. Do the makers of BD players tell you that? I think not. Then they are not being honest or at least forthcoming. Add to this two competing formats, and you have a mess.
Joe
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Topic - "Early adopters problems" is no excuse! - jsm 16:37:53 10/19/07 (81)
- When RCA introduced its vinyl LP... - clarkjohnsen 11:47:40 10/20/07 (0)
- Good post. I completely agree - Jack G 05:28:13 10/20/07 (25)
- Good post. I completely agree with you both. nt - Duilawyer 19:35:51 10/21/07 (0)
- "Its clear that Blu-Ray really doesn't have its act together" How is that clear? - Jazz Inmate 11:37:44 10/20/07 (23)
- Re: - Jack G 13:06:11 10/20/07 (22)
- This is 2007. most gear is built to get software/firmware updates - Jazz Inmate 01:24:41 10/21/07 (21)
- you confuse (intentionally) the ability to upgrade with the inability of the player to play. - Duilawyer 19:44:44 10/21/07 (1)
- But the player does play BDs. It's only the recent Fox titles that require the firmware update - Jazz Inmate 12:27:44 10/22/07 (0)
- Some is, some is not. - Jack G 07:40:43 10/21/07 (17)
- You=correct. - Duilawyer 19:46:46 10/21/07 (0)
- RE: Some is, some is not. - Jazz Inmate 10:00:30 10/21/07 (0)
- RE: Some is, some is not. - racerguy 08:47:23 10/21/07 (14)
- RE: Some is, some is not. - Jack G 10:55:55 10/21/07 (13)
- RE: Some is, some is not. - racerguy 11:19:06 10/21/07 (0)
- And speaking of HD-DVD... - Jazz Inmate 11:18:36 10/21/07 (11)
- RE: And speaking of HD-DVD... - Jack G 12:18:54 10/21/07 (10)
- How do you know HD DVD is far more consumer friendly? - Jazz Inmate 13:03:00 10/21/07 (9)
- *rolling eyes* - Jack G 13:21:54 10/21/07 (8)
- RE: *rolling eyes* - Jazz Inmate 19:04:24 10/21/07 (3)
- Actually, I said ALOT of bad words about HD DVD last winter - Jack G 04:59:00 10/22/07 (1)
- "BTW, I've had no problems with my Sharp player so far" That's great news - Jazz Inmate 10:06:27 10/22/07 (0)
- RE: *rolling eyes* - racerguy 23:01:18 10/21/07 (0)
- knowing what you know - Joe Murphy Jr 15:52:53 10/21/07 (2)
- The Sharp - Jack G 04:38:18 10/22/07 (1)
- could be a firmware issue - Joe Murphy Jr 22:09:52 10/22/07 (0)
- Give it up, Jack - racerguy 14:55:24 10/21/07 (0)
- Except... how many Grandmas and Grandpas are expecting to update the firmware on their CE electronics... - oscar 05:53:51 10/21/07 (0)
- As I have posted repeatedly, I have not had one problem with a blu-ray disc or my PS3 - Jazz Inmate 21:12:16 10/19/07 (12)
- The PS3 caveat is interesting. In other words, in order to obtain a Blu-ray engine that works consistently well, ... - Audiophilander 12:39:47 10/20/07 (11)
- Early adoption isn't usually driven by cost - Jazz Inmate 00:33:14 10/21/07 (3)
- PS/3 simply wasn't a great choice of reference platforms for B-D - 4season 08:52:42 10/21/07 (0)
- Costs are a factor to adopting any format anytime. - Audiophilander 00:59:36 10/21/07 (1)
- So is value - Jazz Inmate 01:32:49 10/21/07 (0)
- that doesn't make sense - Joe Murphy Jr 21:28:35 10/20/07 (6)
- Not everyone wants a game console in their living room or HT - Jack G 07:47:04 10/21/07 (2)
- well... there you go again - Joe Murphy Jr 15:50:24 10/21/07 (1)
- Yes I do - Jack G 06:58:59 10/22/07 (0)
- Sorry Joe, but I beg to differ. - Audiophilander 00:42:43 10/21/07 (2)
- just a few comments - Joe Murphy Jr 15:35:05 10/21/07 (1)
- Fine; maybe I'll take a look at the Denon, ... - Audiophilander 23:45:24 10/21/07 (0)
- In the end, we're all dead. Meanwhile, have some fun! - 4season 20:54:49 10/19/07 (1)
- Not particularly relevant to me, and upscaled DVD can be be very nice. - jsm 12:01:46 10/23/07 (0)
- Careful - you might upset the fanboys with that kind of talk... - racerguy 18:52:53 10/19/07 (37)
- Blu-Ray has so much better upside that it is worth living with the growing pains. - oscar 19:03:44 10/19/07 (36)
- RE: Blu-Ray has so much better upside that it is worth living with the growing pains. - Jack G 05:16:41 10/20/07 (0)
- Buying technology today based on promises of future features/functionality is not wise - racerguy 19:37:46 10/19/07 (34)
- Upside is already available. E.g. "Dave Mathews" - oscar 19:43:57 10/19/07 (33)
- Do you mean "Live at RCMH?" - racerguy 19:55:02 10/19/07 (32)
- I think the bandwidth limitation (in addition to storage) severely constraints HD DVD. - oscar 22:10:56 10/19/07 (6)
- Oh, I agree that there is constraint relative to Blu-ray - racerguy 09:13:24 10/20/07 (5)
- Sony, Fox, and Disney have no issues putting lossless audio on their disks. - oscar 20:48:50 10/20/07 (3)
- These are the same studios... - racerguy 09:17:28 10/21/07 (2)
- "Unfortunately, the reality (i.e. the actual products) don't quite match up to the hype yet." - oscar 14:43:37 10/21/07 (1)
- Well, I think we've reached a bit of an impasse... - racerguy 15:08:45 10/21/07 (0)
- 24/48 audio - Joe Murphy Jr 10:37:19 10/20/07 (0)
- all that audio (including uncompressed) and video takes up lots of gigs - Jazz Inmate 21:23:15 10/19/07 (24)
- bandwidth falls short as well - Joe Murphy Jr 10:41:31 10/20/07 (9)
- Be interesting to see what Paramount does when its 18 month "deal" with HD DVD is up - Jazz Inmate 11:46:22 10/20/07 (8)
- You still beleive that myth? (nt) - Jack G 13:08:26 10/20/07 (7)
- what myth? NT - Jazz Inmate 00:34:33 10/21/07 (6)
- That they have an 18 month contract (nt) - Jack G 07:48:58 10/21/07 (5)
- and you know it's a myth how? Because some doods at AVS told you? - Jazz Inmate 10:16:54 10/21/07 (4)
- not a quote, no named source - Jack G 10:40:53 10/21/07 (3)
- The source is Brooks Barnes of the New York Times, who talked to two Viacom execs close to the deal NT - Jazz Inmate 11:06:37 10/21/07 (2)
- Unnamed disgruntled employees. whoopee. (nt) - Jack G 12:21:00 10/21/07 (1)
- Executives aren't usually disgruntled, except maybe your hero Amir Majidimehr NT - Jazz Inmate 12:56:47 10/21/07 (0)
- Who is "we," Jazz? - racerguy 08:49:38 10/20/07 (13)
- everyone who knows the capacity of Blu-ray vs HD DVD - Jazz Inmate 11:57:16 10/20/07 (12)
- You're wrong in every way, as usual (nt) - racerguy 12:05:15 10/20/07 (11)
- you're avoiding facts and trying to be insulting, as usual NT - Jazz Inmate 12:12:34 10/20/07 (10)
- Wrong again, Jazz - racerguy 12:30:14 10/20/07 (9)
- It's not an opinion that blu-ray has a higher capacity. It's a fact. Learn the difference NT - Jazz Inmate 00:36:03 10/21/07 (8)
- It's truly sad that the only way you can support your feeble arguments is by setting up a strawman (nt) - racerguy 11:43:05 10/21/07 (1)
- My entire argument that blu-ray is the way to go is about capacity...there's no other point to set up - Jazz Inmate 12:15:31 10/21/07 (0)
- But that doesn't mean a better picture - Jack G 10:28:00 10/21/07 (5)
- So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jazz Inmate 11:09:56 10/21/07 (4)
- RE: So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jack G 12:33:53 10/21/07 (3)
- RE: So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jazz Inmate 13:59:58 10/21/07 (2)
- ?????? - Jack G 14:17:50 10/21/07 (1)
- You do know what bitrate is, right? NT - Jazz Inmate 20:04:05 10/21/07 (0)
- I bought in realizing there would be issues. It's my fault I'm having problems. - oscar 17:21:27 10/19/07 (0)
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