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Topic - "Early adopters problems" is no excuse! - jsm 16:37:53 10/19/07 (81)

When RCA introduced its vinyl LP... - clarkjohnsen 11:47:40 10/20/07 (0)

Good post. I completely agree - Jack G 05:28:13 10/20/07 (25)

Good post. I completely agree with you both. nt - Duilawyer 19:35:51 10/21/07 (0)

"Its clear that Blu-Ray really doesn't have its act together" How is that clear? - Jazz Inmate 11:37:44 10/20/07 (23)

Re: - Jack G 13:06:11 10/20/07 (22)

This is 2007. most gear is built to get software/firmware updates - Jazz Inmate 01:24:41 10/21/07 (21)

you confuse (intentionally) the ability to upgrade with the inability of the player to play. - Duilawyer 19:44:44 10/21/07 (1)

But the player does play BDs. It's only the recent Fox titles that require the firmware update - Jazz Inmate 12:27:44 10/22/07 (0)

Some is, some is not. - Jack G 07:40:43 10/21/07 (17)

You=correct. - Duilawyer 19:46:46 10/21/07 (0)

RE: Some is, some is not. - Jazz Inmate 10:00:30 10/21/07 (0)

RE: Some is, some is not. - racerguy 08:47:23 10/21/07 (14)

RE: Some is, some is not. - Jack G 10:55:55 10/21/07 (13)

RE: Some is, some is not. - racerguy 11:19:06 10/21/07 (0)

And speaking of HD-DVD... - Jazz Inmate 11:18:36 10/21/07 (11)

RE: And speaking of HD-DVD... - Jack G 12:18:54 10/21/07 (10)

How do you know HD DVD is far more consumer friendly? - Jazz Inmate 13:03:00 10/21/07 (9)

*rolling eyes* - Jack G 13:21:54 10/21/07 (8)

RE: *rolling eyes* - Jazz Inmate 19:04:24 10/21/07 (3)

Actually, I said ALOT of bad words about HD DVD last winter - Jack G 04:59:00 10/22/07 (1)

"BTW, I've had no problems with my Sharp player so far" That's great news - Jazz Inmate 10:06:27 10/22/07 (0)

RE: *rolling eyes* - racerguy 23:01:18 10/21/07 (0)

knowing what you know - Joe Murphy Jr 15:52:53 10/21/07 (2)

The Sharp - Jack G 04:38:18 10/22/07 (1)

could be a firmware issue - Joe Murphy Jr 22:09:52 10/22/07 (0)

Give it up, Jack - racerguy 14:55:24 10/21/07 (0)

Except... how many Grandmas and Grandpas are expecting to update the firmware on their CE electronics... - oscar 05:53:51 10/21/07 (0)

As I have posted repeatedly, I have not had one problem with a blu-ray disc or my PS3 - Jazz Inmate 21:12:16 10/19/07 (12)

The PS3 caveat is interesting. In other words, in order to obtain a Blu-ray engine that works consistently well, ... - Audiophilander 12:39:47 10/20/07 (11)

Early adoption isn't usually driven by cost - Jazz Inmate 00:33:14 10/21/07 (3)

PS/3 simply wasn't a great choice of reference platforms for B-D - 4season 08:52:42 10/21/07 (0)

Costs are a factor to adopting any format anytime. - Audiophilander 00:59:36 10/21/07 (1)

So is value - Jazz Inmate 01:32:49 10/21/07 (0)

that doesn't make sense - Joe Murphy Jr 21:28:35 10/20/07 (6)

Not everyone wants a game console in their living room or HT - Jack G 07:47:04 10/21/07 (2)

well... there you go again - Joe Murphy Jr 15:50:24 10/21/07 (1)

Yes I do - Jack G 06:58:59 10/22/07 (0)

Sorry Joe, but I beg to differ. - Audiophilander 00:42:43 10/21/07 (2)

just a few comments - Joe Murphy Jr 15:35:05 10/21/07 (1)

Fine; maybe I'll take a look at the Denon, ... - Audiophilander 23:45:24 10/21/07 (0)

In the end, we're all dead. Meanwhile, have some fun! - 4season 20:54:49 10/19/07 (1)

Not particularly relevant to me, and upscaled DVD can be be very nice. - jsm 12:01:46 10/23/07 (0)

Careful - you might upset the fanboys with that kind of talk... - racerguy 18:52:53 10/19/07 (37)

Blu-Ray has so much better upside that it is worth living with the growing pains. - oscar 19:03:44 10/19/07 (36)

RE: Blu-Ray has so much better upside that it is worth living with the growing pains. - Jack G 05:16:41 10/20/07 (0)

Buying technology today based on promises of future features/functionality is not wise - racerguy 19:37:46 10/19/07 (34)

Upside is already available. E.g. "Dave Mathews" - oscar 19:43:57 10/19/07 (33)

Do you mean "Live at RCMH?" - racerguy 19:55:02 10/19/07 (32)

I think the bandwidth limitation (in addition to storage) severely constraints HD DVD. - oscar 22:10:56 10/19/07 (6)

Oh, I agree that there is constraint relative to Blu-ray - racerguy 09:13:24 10/20/07 (5)

Sony, Fox, and Disney have no issues putting lossless audio on their disks. - oscar 20:48:50 10/20/07 (3)

These are the same studios... - racerguy 09:17:28 10/21/07 (2)

"Unfortunately, the reality (i.e. the actual products) don't quite match up to the hype yet." - oscar 14:43:37 10/21/07 (1)

Well, I think we've reached a bit of an impasse... - racerguy 15:08:45 10/21/07 (0)

24/48 audio - Joe Murphy Jr 10:37:19 10/20/07 (0)

all that audio (including uncompressed) and video takes up lots of gigs - Jazz Inmate 21:23:15 10/19/07 (24)

bandwidth falls short as well - Joe Murphy Jr 10:41:31 10/20/07 (9)

Be interesting to see what Paramount does when its 18 month "deal" with HD DVD is up - Jazz Inmate 11:46:22 10/20/07 (8)

You still beleive that myth? (nt) - Jack G 13:08:26 10/20/07 (7)

what myth? NT - Jazz Inmate 00:34:33 10/21/07 (6)

That they have an 18 month contract (nt) - Jack G 07:48:58 10/21/07 (5)

and you know it's a myth how? Because some doods at AVS told you? - Jazz Inmate 10:16:54 10/21/07 (4)

not a quote, no named source - Jack G 10:40:53 10/21/07 (3)

The source is Brooks Barnes of the New York Times, who talked to two Viacom execs close to the deal NT - Jazz Inmate 11:06:37 10/21/07 (2)

Unnamed disgruntled employees. whoopee. (nt) - Jack G 12:21:00 10/21/07 (1)

Executives aren't usually disgruntled, except maybe your hero Amir Majidimehr NT - Jazz Inmate 12:56:47 10/21/07 (0)

Who is "we," Jazz? - racerguy 08:49:38 10/20/07 (13)

everyone who knows the capacity of Blu-ray vs HD DVD - Jazz Inmate 11:57:16 10/20/07 (12)

You're wrong in every way, as usual (nt) - racerguy 12:05:15 10/20/07 (11)

you're avoiding facts and trying to be insulting, as usual NT - Jazz Inmate 12:12:34 10/20/07 (10)

Wrong again, Jazz - racerguy 12:30:14 10/20/07 (9)

It's not an opinion that blu-ray has a higher capacity. It's a fact. Learn the difference NT - Jazz Inmate 00:36:03 10/21/07 (8)

It's truly sad that the only way you can support your feeble arguments is by setting up a strawman (nt) - racerguy 11:43:05 10/21/07 (1)

My entire argument that blu-ray is the way to go is about capacity...there's no other point to set up - Jazz Inmate 12:15:31 10/21/07 (0)

But that doesn't mean a better picture - Jack G 10:28:00 10/21/07 (5)

So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jazz Inmate 11:09:56 10/21/07 (4)

RE: So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jack G 12:33:53 10/21/07 (3)

RE: So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jazz Inmate 13:59:58 10/21/07 (2)

?????? - Jack G 14:17:50 10/21/07 (1)

You do know what bitrate is, right? NT - Jazz Inmate 20:04:05 10/21/07 (0)

I bought in realizing there would be issues. It's my fault I'm having problems. - oscar 17:21:27 10/19/07 (0)

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Upside is already available. E.g. "Dave Mathews" - oscar 19:43:57 10/19/07 (33)

Do you mean "Live at RCMH?" - racerguy 19:55:02 10/19/07 (32)

I think the bandwidth limitation (in addition to storage) severely constraints HD DVD. - oscar 22:10:56 10/19/07 (6)

Oh, I agree that there is constraint relative to Blu-ray - racerguy 09:13:24 10/20/07 (5)

Sony, Fox, and Disney have no issues putting lossless audio on their disks. - oscar 20:48:50 10/20/07 (3)

These are the same studios... - racerguy 09:17:28 10/21/07 (2)

"Unfortunately, the reality (i.e. the actual products) don't quite match up to the hype yet." - oscar 14:43:37 10/21/07 (1)

Well, I think we've reached a bit of an impasse... - racerguy 15:08:45 10/21/07 (0)

24/48 audio - Joe Murphy Jr 10:37:19 10/20/07 (0)

all that audio (including uncompressed) and video takes up lots of gigs - Jazz Inmate 21:23:15 10/19/07 (24)

bandwidth falls short as well - Joe Murphy Jr 10:41:31 10/20/07 (9)

Be interesting to see what Paramount does when its 18 month "deal" with HD DVD is up - Jazz Inmate 11:46:22 10/20/07 (8)

You still beleive that myth? (nt) - Jack G 13:08:26 10/20/07 (7)

what myth? NT - Jazz Inmate 00:34:33 10/21/07 (6)

That they have an 18 month contract (nt) - Jack G 07:48:58 10/21/07 (5)

and you know it's a myth how? Because some doods at AVS told you? - Jazz Inmate 10:16:54 10/21/07 (4)

not a quote, no named source - Jack G 10:40:53 10/21/07 (3)

The source is Brooks Barnes of the New York Times, who talked to two Viacom execs close to the deal NT - Jazz Inmate 11:06:37 10/21/07 (2)

Unnamed disgruntled employees. whoopee. (nt) - Jack G 12:21:00 10/21/07 (1)

Executives aren't usually disgruntled, except maybe your hero Amir Majidimehr NT - Jazz Inmate 12:56:47 10/21/07 (0)

Who is "we," Jazz? - racerguy 08:49:38 10/20/07 (13)

everyone who knows the capacity of Blu-ray vs HD DVD - Jazz Inmate 11:57:16 10/20/07 (12)

You're wrong in every way, as usual (nt) - racerguy 12:05:15 10/20/07 (11)

you're avoiding facts and trying to be insulting, as usual NT - Jazz Inmate 12:12:34 10/20/07 (10)

Wrong again, Jazz - racerguy 12:30:14 10/20/07 (9)

It's not an opinion that blu-ray has a higher capacity. It's a fact. Learn the difference NT - Jazz Inmate 00:36:03 10/21/07 (8)

It's truly sad that the only way you can support your feeble arguments is by setting up a strawman (nt) - racerguy 11:43:05 10/21/07 (1)

My entire argument that blu-ray is the way to go is about capacity...there's no other point to set up - Jazz Inmate 12:15:31 10/21/07 (0)

But that doesn't mean a better picture - Jack G 10:28:00 10/21/07 (5)

So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jazz Inmate 11:09:56 10/21/07 (4)

RE: So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jack G 12:33:53 10/21/07 (3)

RE: So far it's only meant better sound on Blu-ray discs with uncompressed PCM - Jazz Inmate 13:59:58 10/21/07 (2)

?????? - Jack G 14:17:50 10/21/07 (1)

You do know what bitrate is, right? NT - Jazz Inmate 20:04:05 10/21/07 (0)

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