then save this one as well

Posted by Joe Murphy Jr (A) on February 19, 2008 at 22:28:01

In Reply to: Just saving the post so it can't be deleted posted by Jack G on February 19, 2008 at 15:19:58:

Because I agree with most of what Jazz said.

There have been nutcases on both sides, but my opinion is that the HD DVD side was a bit nuttier. It's really sad when you can't have a discussion or an argument among fellow enthusiasts/professionals without childish insults from the "ignorant" crowd. What's worse is when moderators have a bias/preference (not that that's bad, as everyone is entitled to their opinion), only to blatantly let it show. Why do you think most of the Blu-ray insiders left AVS Forum? Because they didn't get their way? Far from it. The real reason was because Microsoft mercenaries were allowed to run rampant and uncontested, and when corrected, cried "foul" and were given their way like spoiled children who take their ball when the game doesn't go their way.* That's a fact, regardless of who says otherwise. It wasn't like this at first, but the last year and a half was sickening. When someone posts a comment that's blatantly false and the person that corrects them with verifiable proof gets a warning or a suspension from a moderator, things have gotten far beyond "out of control". I recently exchanged some PMs with a current moderator re: the sad state of AVS. He told me that there are many members there who he would like to ban, but basically, his hands were tied. That should give you an idea as to which way the wind blows with the upper management. Neutral? Ya must be jokin', mon!

True story. A little over 2 years ago, I made a comment about lossy vs lossless audio on AVS Forum. A Microsoft employee sent me a PM questioning why I would post what I did and used video compression as the basis for his argument. The problem was that his analogy was faulty and he really didn't know enough about video compression or the bitrates of uncompressed video. After I helped him understand where he was wrong, I asked him some non-A/V related questions. In his subsequent responses, I think he revealed a little too much company info. It's a long story, but the bottom line is that the Microsoft employee "infestation" on A/V message boards (running alongside High Definition optical disc introduction) was a directive from none other than Bill Gates! Watching what was developing on several A/V forums armed with that interesting bit of info, it was no wonder why Blu-ray/HD DVD developed into the mess that was the format war.

* Microsoft, once the closed-door talks with Warner Bros went south: (knowing things weren't going their way) We'll provide VC-1 support only if you promise to supply us with future download content. See, the children did turn out just like their parents. Someone once said that there was a unique "culture" at Redmond. Close. It's actually more like a virus -- ebola.

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Topic - it's officially over - Joe Murphy Jr 00:13:27 02/19/08 (37)

Quick, somebody put a mirror under Cackle's nose ... - Quadzilla 11:12:11 02/19/08 (7)

My hi-def player still plays better than your SAC pom pom Blu ray fan boys!!! - Cackle 17:12:44 02/19/08 (6)

Stop it. I am drowning in my ocean of tears. nt - Quadzilla 17:26:33 02/19/08 (5)

You dare to mock the KOOKL??? - SF tech 19:31:00 02/19/08 (4)

RE: You dare to mock the KOOKL??? - Quadzilla 05:26:25 02/20/08 (3)

Re : " Who is LOLing now ? ". Me . SACD is still dead , and DSD is not in the specs for Blu-ray . LOL ( nt ) - ZS KEKL 17:47:19 02/21/08 (2)

By the way, what format are you backing now? - Quadzilla 19:45:16 02/21/08 (0)

I guess you have to take your little "victories" where you can. - Quadzilla 19:40:08 02/21/08 (0)

No. Charles Hansen predicted dire consequences for Blu-ray. Time will prove him right - Ray98@Walmart 04:44:03 02/19/08 (5)

Unfortunately - unclestu52 11:33:59 02/20/08 (0)

Rarely have I read such a confused, misinformed rant NT - Jazz Inmate 12:04:55 02/19/08 (3)

he tends to know his shit, but he is way off on this - Joe Murphy Jr 21:22:09 02/19/08 (2)

I respect Hansen, but I doubt his views are being fairly expressed in the post NT - Jazz Inmate 10:42:04 02/20/08 (0)

Charles Hansen make good products, and he will sooner or later - Ole Lund Christensen 07:23:30 02/20/08 (0)

feel a bit sorry for those here who went the other route. Hopefully, the Sony supporters won't rub lt in - jaiva 02:02:28 02/19/08 (21)

Nice sentiment, but it's already happening - TK421 12:54:11 02/19/08 (17)

To be fair, the HD DVD camp deserves it - Jazz Inmate 14:08:50 02/19/08 (15)

(nt) - Jack G 15:06:14 02/19/08 (14)

If you have something to say, say it NT - Jazz Inmate 15:17:27 02/19/08 (13)

Just saving the post so it can't be deleted - Jack G 15:19:58 02/19/08 (12)

then save this one as well - Joe Murphy Jr 22:28:01 02/19/08 (1)

I support that, Microsoft was convicted for crime in Europe - Ole Lund Christensen 04:24:21 02/20/08 (0)

the funny part his, he REALLY does not see the irony in his - Duilawyer 17:16:20 02/19/08 (4)

That's what's so sad. (nt) - Jack G 10:11:55 02/20/08 (3)

To the victor belongs the spoils - Jazz Inmate 11:11:56 02/20/08 (2)

Uh huh - Jack G 11:25:01 02/20/08 (1)

Essentially, you're saying the HD DVD adopters outsmarted themselves - Jazz Inmate 13:37:18 02/20/08 (0)

you OWN Jizz Inmate. nt - Duilawyer 17:15:02 02/19/08 (3)

If he did, I'd have adopted HD DVD nt - Jazz Inmate 17:24:50 02/19/08 (2)

getting the last word does not mean you won... nt - Duilawyer 17:26:25 02/19/08 (1)

and agreeing doesn't mean you're right (nt) - Joe Murphy Jr 22:29:43 02/19/08 (0)

And I would want to delete it because __??? - Jazz Inmate 15:30:00 02/19/08 (0)

Ya noticed huh? (nt) - Jack G 13:32:28 02/19/08 (0)

I went "the other route." - jsm 12:14:15 02/19/08 (2)

Lots Of Folks Jumped On Tosh $99 Player at Walmart - Robertc88 05:49:17 02/20/08 (0)

nice post - Joe Murphy Jr 22:48:38 02/19/08 (0)

Here is the link to the official Toshiba statement - Ole Lund Christensen 01:58:17 02/19/08 (0)

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then save this one as well - Joe Murphy Jr 22:28:01 02/19/08 (1)

I support that, Microsoft was convicted for crime in Europe - Ole Lund Christensen 04:24:21 02/20/08 (0)

then save this one as well

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