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In Reply to: Forget Ebert posted by Victor Khomenko on November 26, 2002 at 07:01:56:
Careful what you ask for Victor, you might be surprised by the world's critics.Sight&Sound 2002 Critic's Poll of Ten Greatest Films of All Time:
1. Citizen Kane (Welles) 46 votes
2. Vertigo (Hitchcock) 41
3. Rules of the Game (Renoir) 30
4. The Godfather I&II (Coppola) 23
5. Tokyo Story (Ozu) 22
6. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick) 21
7. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein), Sunrise (Murnau) 19
9. 8 1/2 (Fellini) 18
10. Singin' in the Rain (Donen, Kelly) 17Just for comparison's sake: Same Poll in 1992
1. Citizen Kane
2. Rules of the Game
3. Tokyo Story
4. Vertigo
5. The Searchers
6. L'Atalante, Battleship Potemkin, Passion of Joan of Arc, Pather Panchali
10. 2001: A Space OdysseyNotes: Rules of the Game has been in the top three since 1962, although it has never held the number one position. It was ranked tenth in 1952, so it's been on the poll for 50 years. (It's been my number one since the first time I saw it.) Battleship Potemkin has also been on the list for 50 years, with its highest ranking obtained in 1972 (third). Citizen Kane did not appear on the 1952 poll, but has held the number one slot since 1962, forty years, a record unlikely to be surpassed. Dreyer's Passion of Joan of Arc (another Harmonia fave) has been in the top ten three times, in 1952, 1972, and 1992.
L'Atalante's last appearance was in 1962, and Carne's only appearance was with La Jour se leve in 1952 (maybe it's time for Carne and Vigo revivals). Seven Samurai's only ranking was in 1982, when it was third. Bergman's only films to make the top ten were Wild Stawberries and Persona, both in 1972. Also in 1972, with the groundswell of Wellesiana fueled by Pauline Kael and others, Magnificent Ambersons was tied for number 8 with Keaton's The General, giving Welles two top ten positions. The only other director to achieve double ranking was Sergei Eisenstein, who tied himself in 1962 for sixth position with Potemkin and Ivan the Terrible, which also shared sixth with DeSica's Bicycle Thieves. (Coppola's Godfather epics I&II are considered a single entity.)
This year's poll is the first since 1952 with fewer than two Italian films in the top ten.
Chaplin last appeared in the poll in 1952, the year I was born, when City Lights and the Gold Rush tied for second (Bycicle Thieves was number one). He is the only British director besides Hitchcock and Lean to appear in any of the polls since 1952 - and of course, both Chaplin's and Hitchcock's top ten films were American productions. No British produced *and* helmed film since Lean's Brief Encounter, in 1952, has made the list since.
I've already said my piece on Ebert - he's a middlebrow, but much less dangerous than some. And I think it is perfectly OK to engage with a popcorn movie for pure pleasure. You just don't want to do it all the time.
Follow Ups:
"They are like buttholes: everybody has one and some of them stink."The opinion of any critic is just that - opinion. However, when most of them agree, that must mean something.
I've seen many movies in my half-century. Have I seen every movie ever made or even most of them? Of course not - not even close. Does that mean that I can't judge the opinion of critics and make my own opinions? Of course not. It's the old circular logic routine.....something akin to a Monty Python skit.
Peeking at the lists I see one constant and that is "Citizen Kane" at number 1. I agree with that assessment but I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. Of the several thousand movies I have seen, "Citizen Kane" is the best - or at least I think it is.
But that's my opinion and you know what is said about opinions.......
Some very interesting observations there, and I saw their lists on their site. The problem I am having is with the composite nature of these lists - 145 critics and 108 directors. It does have some merit, but I think more interesting would be to see the individual lists. For instance, the list of the French critics, the Italian ones.None of their lists is too flawed in my heavily biased view, BTW, I agree with 40 to 50% of their picks, so I think they have done their homework :-))))))))))))
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