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In Reply to: Re: Glengarry GlenRoss posted by Victor Khomenko on December 12, 2002 at 13:07:07:
Victor, I think this is a good example of how personal experiences can affect how one sees a movie (or any art). To me, this movie captured so well what shit salesmen go through, it really touched a nerve. So the story being "banal artificial and tired" really didn't matter to me. I would rate it as good to very good, just because it captured this so well.And as far as Pacino's acting, I think I tend to cut him some (probably too much) slack, because I've seen him turn in some good performances. I have stated more than once that he usually overacts terribly, so in a movie like this my thoughts are "that wasn't too bad for Pacino". Did you ever see his movie about a movie about Richard III? Spacey acted circles around him in that one, IMO.
I gave at the office!
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I certainly agree with the personal experiences playing roles in our enjoyment, and often they become predominant so as to completely dominate. I guess the problem with the story was that it tried to jam in too many aspects of salesman's life, creating in essence too thick a soup. So the conflicts became too many, outlined in too sketchy way, quick jumps from one to another. And the last, fatal episode is pretty much the tribute to the American school of script writing - "without somethins that jucey there can't be no movie".If you stay with the subject of Al Pacino, then the fatal episode would be comparable to his Scent hero driving blind. If in Glengarry it is still within the reason, failing on subtleties, then in the Scent it is Hollywood in its worse extreme, idiotic situation put on pedestal, in a feeble attempt to grab audience attention.
Needless to say, the original Scent didn't have that idiocy - as I said, this seems to be a completely American phenomenon.
Another pitiful example of that same fallacy was the match counting exercise in Rain Man - the pathetic nature of that one was incredible, and I was sorry to see a fine actor do that.
I remember watchng a part of Richard III, losing interest and switching channels, so I am not in great position of arguing its merits.
Spacey is a great actor, but overused, and should try to concentrate on seeking roles that would allow his subtle talent to show, instead of being just a pawn in things like the Negotiator.
The 'match counting exercise' in Rain man was an accurate glimpse into the very real aberrant behaviors of autistic people. I HAVE an autistic brother who does this counting with various objects, and repetitive counting is a frequent abberation of theirs that the producers/director of Rain Man probably wanted to get across to strengthen their portrayal of Rain Man. I thought it was an excellent touch to the film.
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