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In Reply to: Re: The 8-step "Secret" Hollywood Formula posted by Victor Khomenko on December 13, 2002 at 17:55:09:
VK,Yes, the distinction is between Salo and the others is the palpability of the violence, the sensation that is, as you say, true. I sense that you may have a similar reasction to it that I do of combined repulsion with simultaneous admiration for the sheer skill of conveyance(?)
I had a similar reaction to realistic violence the first time I saw Eastwood's "Unforgiven," e.g., the sherrif's (Hackman) beating of English Bob really hurt.
But it was not the relentless violence in Pasolini's. Perhaps Pasolini intended to overdrive his point in an allegory: that fascism contains a necessary relentless violence such that a reasonable person must turn away from.
I don't discount you're suggestion that Pasolini was also just diving off the deep end either. As we now know, he had troublesome hobbies.
Thank you for mentioning Konchalovsky and the marvelous "Lumiere et compagnie". After I saw it, I wanted to build a replica of the cinematographe. It appeared to have about ten parts but it's nature enforced a wonderful series of complex images. I looked up Konchalovsky and he is also the screenwriter of one of my favourites from your part of the world, "Andrei Rublev."
Cheers,
Bambi B
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***Yes, the distinction is between Salo and the others is the palpability of the violence, the sensation that is, as you say, true. I sense that you may have a similar reasction to it that I do of combined repulsion with simultaneous admiration for the sheer skill of conveyance(?)Yes, that's exactly it.
I have always had mixed feelings about Konchalovsky, as he was an official Party cinema man. Some of his films were simply puky. But he most definitely has talent.
I presume some of those older machnes can be purchased today perhaps even on ebay, but of course the prices would likely be high. I agree, it is amazing what could be done with them, and I strongly recommend the Lumiere to anyone interested in fine films - what a wealth of styles and expressive techniques, each one a small gem.
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