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In Reply to: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Hepcat on April 07, 2004 at 14:23:19:
Thanks for the list Hepcat.I'm a big fan or noir films, and you can't go wrong with most of those on this list.
I disagree with a few entries...nothing before 1940 is "real film noir"...at least imo...as the French, who hadn't seen an American film since the war started, named the genre after seeing these "dark films" for the first time around 1946-7. Fury, Chain Gang, and You Only Live Twice are good films, and possibly predict what is to come with noir, but are precursors at best (again,imo).
There is one entry..."Nora ona" (#38) that I don't know...is this possibly Nora Prentiss?
For a great film noir site, check out noirfilm.com...lotta fun and informative.
BTW...Out of the Past is rated waaay low in my opinion. This is pretty much considered the jewel in the crown of noir among fans of the genre.
All the best,
Gary
Follow Ups:
You probably know Kurosawa's noir tribute better by its English title, "Stray Dog".
...agree - I'd rate the thirties flicks as precursers. A film that is "dark" isn't automatically "film noir".I love Out of the Past, but then, I think Pick-Up on South Street is rated way too low as well.
Interesting that the genre is still going, in fits and spurts, years later. Two of my favorite modern noirs are Blood Simple & The Grifters.
Thanks, Harmonia, for the tip on Stray Dogs!
Yep, I like several of the modern "neo-noirs" as well,
including the ones you mentioned.Some other favorites: The Hot Spot, Kill Me Again, Red Rock West...about all of John Dahl's films, actually... the most noir-based director working today, imo...and the noirish homage Romeo is Bleeding.
Thanks again,
Gary
Let's add "The Man Who Wasn't There" to the neo's.
Albee,Okay, it's added...the Coens are very noir-oriented directors...you can ALMOST say that Miller's Crossing is neo-noir, and in fact, it is included as such in a few of the books I have on film noir.
The neo-noir list can be quite extensive...one book I have cites no less than 65 films (1965-to date) that are considered noir influenced.
A big one I left out-The Last Seduction-outstanding femme fatale performance by Linda Fiorentino.
Thanks,
Gary
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...we got no stinkin' links! (Sorry...always wanted to use that line).I actually don't have a link, but I can give you some reference books: Film Noir; an Encyclopedic Reference to the American Style, by Silver and Ward. Considered the "bible of noir," and contains many neo-noirs.
Film Noir Guide, by Michael Keaney...the newest book I kow of on the subject...includes some neo-noirs, and is a great read.
Everything about noir-both the classics and neo, is subjective...perhaps one of the most hotly debated subjects in all of film. Is it film noir, or just a dark film. Ultimately, I've found that you have to decide for yourself.
Some others listed: Genuine Risk, At Close Range, After Dark, My Sweet, The hit, Basic Instinct, Betrayed, Body heat, Dead Again, The Driver, Cop, and.....so on.
All the best,
Gary
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