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In Reply to: "Unmeasurable technologies/effects like... obtuse polarity." Assuming you mean "absolute polarity"... posted by clarkjohnsen on June 17, 2006 at 08:26:51:
retain a shred of respect for you. A small one but--- what the heck--- I'm a Christian.
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tinear,Well done ! I assume you're joking, as the reference to being a "small Christian" - gives away the comedy, but if not, should you have something to say to me, I would prefer you speak for yourself. I think Clark has enough self-respect and intelligence to respond- if he cares to at all- and does not need a discount apologist jumping in from out of nowhere.
But, surely you're funnin', because suggesting that Clark can't make a sufficient reply for himself, you do him the greater disrespect- it does however, make me suddenly feel I'm much luckier in my friends than poor Clark.
I am further perplexed by your comment, "retain a shred of respect for Clark"- I can't imagine- what makes you think there is only a "shred" remaining? Should you be serious, I think I could say I respect Clark far more than do you.
Tinear, I'm quite sure you're making a prank, but if not, this is not a gentlemanly thing to pull on our friend Clark, who we couldn't do without around here- look at this thread - 120 and counting must be one of the longest threads ever on Films, especially that had almost nothing to do with Films!
Joking aside, I hereby apologize fully to Clark as my comments were overreaction and disproportionate as to degree. It's just I was dissappointed that Clark seemed dismissive of Gore's love song to the Earth, "An Inconvenient Truth" - as Clark is a commentator on technologies, I would have liked to see him- if he's starting a thread on the topic on Films"- look into the content and merits of the film and further do so, with the the open and thouroughness he demands of others evaluating techmolgogies he advocates. This is where I was unfair as to degree with Clark, as I felt his avoidance of my comments were further dismissed by a diversion to "absolute polarity" but I must still insist I did not engage in any "invective" against him. I did prod Clark by jokingly renaming "absolute polarity" "obtuse polarity" and for that I apologise again- this was just heedless word-play. Of all the things Clark avocates, as a long-time Helmholz fan, I am especially open to psycho-acoustic effects of that nature- a lot of people say they hear it, and it does have a measurable, physical component- the polarity of the waveform and it's components can be either correct or inverted.
I'm afraid with the educated clocks and smart rocks, because I'm not convinced by the mysterious explanations of their effects- the personally subjective terminology- ("darker, more detailed, natural") is more akin in my view, to a subjective "poll", and since the effects are either unquantifiable or the makers obscure them proprietarily, I'm more skeptical and would have to try them while looking the makers in the eye. I understand the makers of these devices of "subtle" technology can not fully reveal what's going on as they might be sending business to diy or competitors, but I have a need to know what's happening- physically, and/or psychologically/perceptually.
And Clark, I was completely barmy and overblown to suggest that Clark was being critically hypocritical by starting a movie thread possibly without having seen the film. I was disspointed, but would rather restate this- if posting on "Films", I'd much more enjoy your considered insights and direct discussion of the movie you bring to our attention- than one line- and a link that strikes me as a not especially balanced view. But, you're busy, and I understand you may have done this more casually, and I and others took it too seriously.
But, again, I'm completely open to these devices, again, a lot of poeple make claims of dramatic effects in reproduced sound, and as almost none of my friends let me convince them that imaging is a real effect- I just want to shake them them by the shoulders it's so obvious to me. Would I could've taken my 300 closest friends to hear Ray Kimber's "IsoMike". -But we have to admit that the majority of people do not listen to sound analytically- they may like or dislike it, but they may not search for components and evaluate their aesthetic effect and technological origins. And yes, I do have components that can accomplish a rather strong imaging.
Finally, with Clark I just got off onto an inappropriate strict analytical and semantic fit- it's been fuckin' 100+ for three days- and the other thing is that people from cold climates suffer at over 80 F - as we automatically wear three-piece suits all the time where ever we are. But, finally this morning, it's cool and my overheated brain has cooled down. I hope Clark can write this one off as an abberation. I used poor judgment and word choice.
I'm just unfortunate I was born 3/4 Dutch and people from countries with centuries of poor weather -like the Irish, Scandanavians,and Russians, would rather sit around and forever tell stories, argue, and prod our friends, while the English quarter likes polite conversation. Sorry, Clark, I would dearly love to retract any kind of personal comment. Can I blame Global Warming? I should have never swayed from my prinicple not to make personal coments or inferrence.
As to Global warming itself, I'll post on "Outside" where I feel it's more appropriate, and I'll be somewhat serious. As a child of the oil industry myself- I think I'll surprise you.
-By the way, tinear, that you can publicly admit that you’re “small” does you honour, many men do not have your courage. Thanks for posting !
-Hell, there I go again, and it's only 86..
Cheers,Bambi B
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