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In Reply to: "Come and See"- "Idi i Smotri" posted by john dem on May 21, 2001 at 03:13:44:
I didn't see that one, it was after my time, so to say (1985). I remember some of the earlier Klimov's work, commedies... so this would be quite a turn for him. I could probably find it locally at the Russian store, but my wife might object to it - she is very sensitive to scenes of suffering.But I cal always watch it by myself... is it really that good? Dmitry, did you see it (that guy is often few steps ahead of me in certain areas).
I agree with you regarding that silly "best" title, and in that category it would have to compete with some of the best movies ever - see my short list elsewhere in this discussion.
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...this review and it makes me want to see it. It sounds like I will definitely have to watch it alone, though.http://us.imdb.com/Title?0091251#comment
But discussing the horrors of war of this scale is impossible without bringing personal experiences into the picture, and the lack of these is going to handicap significantly any attempt at ture understanding. Like in duscussing brutal rape, one can never trully understand its implications without being a victim of such horrible crime.
I recall being three and five years old, going to the kitchen in our large communal appartment, hearing the stories of the siege of Leningrad that those women had to tell. I still remember many of those stories, stories of hunger told in a matter-of-fact manner, of eating rats and carpenter glue and leather boots. That experience put those who went through it in a special camp and everyone else was an outsider.
And since most of us here lack that kind of experience, the movie maker has to resort to silly explosions and plastic guts in his attempt to make the point that simply needs to be whispered in the ear.
That is a pretty good review Victor,I'd go further and say when a talented director is given artistic freedom, the results are pretty impressive. Interestingly, there aren't that many acts of violence graphically depicted, but the results of that violence are.
The jerky, camera movement, muting of the sound etc. work very well to make you frightened- anticipating the horrors is as bad as witnessing them.
As I said- I'm not sure I'd like to see it again. There is one scene where a lot of people walked out of the cinema- it won't spoil it for you if I tell you it involved the death of an animal- not a human being. Funny you should mention "rape"- an unforgettable scene involving that subject as well, again you see the aftermath, not the act.
Remembering this film is almost like what dealing with repressed memories must be like !
This is the film which destroys any notion of heroism in war- there is only death and destruction, physical and spiritual.
Definitely not for the faint-hearted.
My local sources don't have it, but www.bestvideo.com does (what don't they have?) so I am getting mentally ready to part with my $17.Thanks for the great tip.
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