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In Reply to: Re: American Tragedy? Indeed... posted by Dmitry on May 21, 2001 at 17:12:19:

Though I don't exactly understand "poshlyi", I thought much of American Beauty vulgar- coarse and unrefined- but isn't that the point ie exactly how much "beauty" is there in a modern suburban environment?
I'd go a bit further- the "resolution" of the film with a homicide, especially a shooting, is vulgar. The portrayal of women in the film was vulgar. The portrayal of a suburban man's fears- the unfaithful wife- the detached children- the lack of fulfilment in work-the psycho neighbour, were all vulgar.
So there was some nice photography- ok, for some mainstream audiences this may have been wonderful, but if I ever had an epiphany and gave up work- and the best I could come up with was to regain my youth, lust after some girl and buy a muscle car- I'd say that was vulgar.

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Re: I disagree Dmitry 18:26:57 05/21/01 (1)
You see, John, some words are hard to translate into other languages. For example, Japanese have a word for a state of mind, while watching the storks come back after a long winter. One word.
Anyway, if we leave vulgar as a kin of poshlost'(i.e. profane, crude,tactless, gross, cheap, cliche, vile, vane, disgustingly crass,etc - you get the idea), let's play.
I will quote you - "I'd go a bit further- the "resolution" of the film with a homicide, especially a shooting, is vulgar. The portrayal of women in the film was vulgar. The portrayal of a suburban man's fears- the unfaithful wife- the detached children- the lack of fulfilment in work-the psycho neighbour, were all vulgar."
This is just what we need - vulgar, as in a FARCE, a FABLIEU perhaps. that's exactly how I saw the film. I think all the things you mentioned were done on purpose, imho. That is why it may elicit some unpleasant reactions from folks, notwithstanding THE Academy which licked the film's boots without realizing that they were covered with shit.
""and the best I could come up with was to regain my youth, lust after some girl and buy a muscle car- I'd say that was vulgar.""
Yes it was. Of course!!! And it was meant to be. No mercy for the killed protagonist, no mercy for the wife, it all goes to the vulgar hell.
I really don't know how else to explain this. I hope you understand what I am saying. Read the thread and look at your vision of the film in a different light.
- Ok - I agree john dem 18:35:37 05/21/01 (0)
  Yes, it was a farce-
  "notwithstanding THE Academy which licked the film's boots
  without realizing that they were covered with shit."
  Brilliant ! Quite the best summation of the film and The Academy- you should write reviews!

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