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In Reply to: Sorry about the link; I accidently posted the 1st draft with mistyped link. posted by Audiophilander on January 03, 2002 at 15:27:30:
Explain to me how was the quoted text related to our discussion here? I didn't see much of a connection, so help me out.
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... and you were behaving somewhat like that nice lady in the museum from Dusseldorf. My comment about the film being DULL was no "sillier" than you saying that Solaris is "riveting." Paintings, like cinematic artworks, tell stories, but as you pointed out so succinctly in the linked post. To wit, ...> > > "No matter what the history behind the work, I tend to draw the line someplace." < < <
Still, the short paragraph which preceeded it is even more to the point since we're discussing cinema as art:
> > > "The big question here is just what determines what is 'substantial'. It is hard to argue that the fashion is often more important than the artistic merit, and that some works that one finds in many modern art galleries SHOULD be questioned." < < <
Substitute the word "films" for "works" and drop "that one finds in many modern art galleries" and your general statement on film appreciation would concur completely with my critique of Solaris.
Respectfully,
AuPh
I think we are losing track of argument, leaving the original disagreement far behind.The line I was talking about is not an objective one - I think we can agree on that. It is there to simply arbitrarily separate the trash from art in one's mind.
However, when I refuse to call something "art" I don't do it based on some measurable criteria - and that was my main point of disagreement with your critique of Solaris.
We have prolifiration ot trash today: a broken snow shovel in the Philadelphia Museum, a bag of doughnuts, a sculpture aptly called "Piece of Plywood", a canvas with three knife holes in it. But I fully understand that someone might like it - after all, people paid huge money for each one. Therefor MY line is not some universal one.
Going back to your main argument - it was the lack of story progress. Here we are entering something objective. Wouldn't that be akin to saying that Franz Klein's works are not art because they lack color?
I actually feel strange arguing this, because I always thought there was plenty of story in Solaris. Maybe because I knew the book very well - one of my favorites during my tender age.
Solaris is not really a meditation in the stone garden, so I am somewhat puzzled by your reaction. It is full of drama and tension, thicker than honey. There are images that absolutely imprint into your memory. Dialogues full of meaning. Sexy interplay between the main characters. Some of the best actors to ever grace this Earth (OK, most of them are completely unknown to the West, but that speaks more of the West than of the actors), and even - bless your heart America - a wet T-shirt...
In our family I am considered action freak... I guess you can now figure out my wife's favorite films. But I would watch Solaris again tonight - no arm twisting required. Just give me a good company.
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