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In Reply to: Help?? Denon DVD-2800/DVM-4800 & AVR-3802 posted by fxstbguy on November 15, 2001 at 18:00:05:
I have A Denon 5800. I had planned to get a 4802, but found the 5800 at a great price.The 3802 has 105W X 6. And a lot of good stuff. List $1199
The 2802 has 90W X 6. No discrete second audio out. No on screen display. No 32 bit SPARC DSP. List 799.
So to me the only down side to the 2802 is a little less power and no on screen display. I could live without that for $400.
The DVM 4800 is a five disc changer and decodes surround. It also has more video outputs. List 1199.
To me the DVM 2800 offers everything else. (Progressive Scan, plays CD-Rs, CD-RWs, etc). List 799.
If you are going to put your money in one or the other. My opinion is put your money in the receiver. It is the heart of your system. I do not want and I would not buy a DVD that decoded surround. That is a function of the receiver. DVDs comprise only a small portion of most people's TV viewing. Your receiver can be used to decode comercial TV, premium cable movies (many are Dobly Digital), satellite broadcast, and VCR tapes. Not to mention CDs.
Or another option. Compared to electronics today, speakers are very crude. Your system will only sound as good as your speakers. I think I would buy the AVR 2802 and the DVM 2800 and put the money saved in speakers.
Klipsch are very efficient speakers. The RF3s don't require a lot of amp but they lack real low bass. This is true of the RC3 and the RB5s. Action movies today really have a lot of low freq sounds even in the surrounds. As I said above I would buy the AVR 2802 and the DVM 2800 and put the money saved in a sub woofer. I would suggest the Klipsh KSW-15 (750) or the KSW-12 (499).
A sub woofer would do two things for your system. It would lower the power requirements (so the 2802 would do very nicely) and improve the sound of your other speakers by reducing speaker movement necessary to produce very low freqwuencies.
Denon and Klipsh are both excelent equipment. Which ever way you go you will like your system.
Follow Ups:
Thanks for the advice....I almost forgot about the sub. I'll have to see how the funds department ends up as far as the AVR goes. If I can afford it (and the sub) I'd like the 3802, but if it is tight the 2802. I will stick with the 2800 DVD, I guess I was hoping to kill two birds with the 4800, but CD changers are cheap these days.I had an interesting conversation about subs with the salesman...he suggested an M&K MX105II for a sub ($1000 - on sale for $750). He didn't seem to like the Klipsch subs at all. I haven't really seen any negative reports on the Klipsch ones, so I'm not sure how to take it. He mentioned that M&K has done subs a lot longer and their "push/pull" technology with two 12" woofers are much tighter, faster & cleaner. I don't know much about subs (except that I know I want one). Do you have any experience with the Klipsch subs? I don't figure that timbre matching, etc. is so important (if at all) when it comes to subs, so if the M&K's are that much better, I guess I would go with it (main drawback is price).
Hmmm, more decisions.....
M & K's are excellent. The MX-105 is very nice. In that general price range, M & K also have the V-1250 THX. It listed for $950, has a 12 inch driver with 125 watts.The reason I mentioned the Klipsch is that most people prefer to stay within the same speaker brand. They believe that speakers within the same brand share commom sound characteristics.
But most speakers today sound pretty good. Even a $1000 surround in a box system sounds pretty good. Make your decision on what you like. There are many very good speakers that sound different. People prefer different things in a speaker. One person's dream speaker might be rejected by another.
My speakers are Definitve Technology and I really like them a lot. Even though they were fairly expensive not everyone considers them to be high end speakers.
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