In Reply to: Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 24, 2004 at 16:39:19:
Victor, you say "anytime art tries to carry political message it fails in the artistic department."What about Griffith's "Intolerance", Eisenstein's "Potemkin", Dohzhenko's "Earth", Reifenstahl's "Triumph of the Will", Ford's "The Grapes of Wrath", or Godard's "Weekend"?
Picasso's painting of "Guernica"?
I recall several days ago you discussed "Alexander Nevsky," a film about a Russian leader defeating a German army made in 1938. You do not think there is a political message there? Or if you think there is a political message there does it make the film an artistic failure in your opinion?
I am a little surprised by your statement. Michael Moore's film may be bad or good due to the way he handles his political statement. But just because he has a political message in there you believe it is a failure? Without even seeing it?Melville's book "Moby Dick, or The Whale" has problems, but I don't consider it an artistic failure because of his pointed criticism of Christian missionairies. I can't watch 99% of Godard's post-68 work because of the way he handles his political messages in the work, but it isn't the presence of his political message that I specifically object to.
I realize you were just responding to another poster with a brief note. But the last sentence of that note is quite a statement, and I would appreciate it if you would clarify or elaborate on it if you don't mind.
Thanks!
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- Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... - Gee LP 23:39:47 05/24/04 (31)
- Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... - Victor Khomenko 06:10:57 05/25/04 (29)
- Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... - Analog Scott 17:35:18 05/25/04 (23)
- Oh, yeah? - Victor Khomenko 06:15:31 05/26/04 (22)
- Re: Oh, yeah? - Analog Scott 08:56:55 05/26/04 (21)
- Talk about a non-response "response" - Victor Khomenko 09:01:28 05/26/04 (20)
- Re: Talk about a non-response "response" - Analog Scott 09:41:19 05/26/04 (19)
- Just can't stop laughing... sorry, Scott! - Victor Khomenko 10:32:37 05/26/04 (14)
- Re: Pizza! Victor!!! nt - patrickU 11:15:16 05/26/04 (4)
- Imagine coming home for lunch, but finding no food on the table... - Victor Khomenko 13:01:49 05/26/04 (3)
- Re: Imagine coming home for lunch, but finding no food on the table... - patrickU 03:05:03 05/27/04 (2)
- I think this is all us men need - the art... - Victor Khomenko 06:10:58 05/27/04 (1)
- Re: I think this is all us men need - the art... - patrickU 06:22:55 05/27/04 (0)
- Re: Just can't stop laughing... sorry, Scott! - Analog Scott 10:54:27 05/26/04 (8)
- Re: Just can't stop laughing... sorry, Scott! - Victor Khomenko 11:13:47 05/26/04 (7)
- Re: Just can't stop laughing... sorry, Scott! - Analog Scott 12:07:36 05/26/04 (6)
- But you are wrong... of course - Victor Khomenko 12:19:50 05/26/04 (5)
- Re: But you are wrong... of course - Analog Scott 13:32:47 05/26/04 (4)
- Re: Don´t get personal....Bad.... nt - patrickU 04:12:07 05/27/04 (0)
- Re: But you are wrong... of course - Victor Khomenko 13:48:54 05/26/04 (2)
- Re: But you are wrong... of course - Analog Scott 13:56:07 05/26/04 (1)
- Re: But you are wrong... of course - Victor Khomenko 14:21:09 05/26/04 (0)
- Time for you to do some work, for a change. - Victor Khomenko 10:00:57 05/26/04 (3)
- Re: Time for you to do some work, for a change. - Analog Scott 10:51:35 05/26/04 (2)
- Re: Time for you to do some work, for a change. - Victor Khomenko 11:14:30 05/26/04 (1)
- Re: Time for you to do some work, for a change. - Analog Scott 12:02:49 05/26/04 (0)
- Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... - Gee LP 11:53:25 05/25/04 (4)
- Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... - Victor Khomenko 12:13:48 05/25/04 (3)
- Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... - Gee LP 12:56:49 05/25/04 (2)
- Some observations - Victor Khomenko 14:30:34 05/25/04 (0)
- Re: Good and fair post. That makes fun! nt - patrickU 13:25:54 05/25/04 (0)
- Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general...... - patrickU 05:21:23 05/25/04 (0)