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In Reply to: Why not? You don't see the current climate of intolerance? Just the matter of degree posted by Victor Khomenko on June 16, 2006 at 11:30:01:
Vic,
science works like that. You get to a certain point and the crowd jumps the fence. After that point they don't want to hear from the Old Guard.That does NOT mean the Old Guard is ignored. Far from it. There are many instances in the history of science where the old guard has managed to destroy the new theory.
If someone came up with a REAL argument that kills GW, it would get published. The scientist would announce his results, and the 'war' would begin. This has not happened, and at this point I don't think it can happen.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Scientists respond to An Inconvenient Truth - clarkjohnsen 09:28:21 06/15/06 (140)
- Let me get this straight. You're open minded enough to believe that Smart Rocks will influence your hi fi, but - gme109 21:42:16 06/22/06 (4)
- I don't "believe that Smart Rocks will influence [my] hi fi." Enough with the straw men. - clarkjohnsen 07:34:31 06/23/06 (3)
- I've read enough of your reviews to know you're very open minded about audio tweaks. - gme109 14:41:22 06/23/06 (1)
- Never denied that man "just may" have an effect. I considered it as an explanation... - clarkjohnsen 07:03:45 06/24/06 (0)
- "...Mother Earth is a tough old bitch." - Perhaps, but she's getting a little long of tooth ... - Audiophilander 09:50:11 06/23/06 (0)
- So Clark, have YOU seen the film, or are you just conveniently blowing greenhouse gas again? (nt) - Audiophilander 21:05:36 06/16/06 (12)
- Hmm... - RGA 05:34:52 06/20/06 (0)
- "the power of 1000 cows" nt - dave c 14:25:28 06/17/06 (0)
- Yeah I saw it - EdM 13:32:22 06/17/06 (4)
- Considering how a few hours burning made just ashes of the greatest collection of written knowledge... - orejones 01:58:19 06/19/06 (3)
- Excuse me- you don't think there were forest fires millions - EdM 08:05:25 06/19/06 (2)
- What you don´t seem to realize is that every C atom in that oil we are so merrily burning comes from a CO2 mollecule... - orejones 09:19:03 06/19/06 (1)
- You lost me there... - jedinvest 10:27:22 06/19/06 (0)
- Why do you not ask that question to *all* the respondents below, hmmmm? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:47 06/17/06 (2)
- First, it's your thread. Second, many, if not most of us..stuck to the science of it, or your propaganda ..nt - late 12:55:56 06/17/06 (0)
- IOW you haven't seen it. Hey, you are still qualified to protest it then. NT - Analog Scott 11:49:23 06/17/06 (0)
- Any movie protestor worth his salt knows you are not suppoed to see the movie you are protesting. - Analog Scott 08:56:35 06/17/06 (0)
- . . er, you mean deadly methane . . . * - mr grits 07:36:22 06/17/06 (0)
- Take this outdoors! * - mr grits 20:07:59 06/16/06 (1)
- It's movie criticism! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:09:27 06/17/06 (0)
- A Reason-able response... - rditmars 15:52:10 06/16/06 (4)
- "[Al Gore] brooding on the fate of the earth." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 08:17:15 06/17/06 (1)
- Re: "[Al Gore] brooding on the fate of the earth." LOL! - AudioHead 06:31:32 06/19/06 (0)
- "Gore has won the global warming debate—the world is warming as a consequence of human activity, ... - orejones 01:37:58 06/17/06 (0)
- Free Minds, Free Markets -- you know you're being dupped right there ... - jedinvest 16:30:44 06/16/06 (0)
- Not only is Global Warming not true, industry is not responsible ! - Bambi B 13:49:05 06/16/06 (17)
- "Unmeasurable technologies/effects like... obtuse polarity." Assuming you mean "absolute polarity"... - clarkjohnsen 08:26:51 06/17/06 (9)
- Please, please don't answer Bambi's post below. I want to - tinear 18:16:42 06/17/06 (1)
- No need, I have already received a devastating e-mail from Clark's mommy ! Plus an apology to Clark - Bambi B 10:52:25 06/18/06 (0)
- An Inconvenient Truth - Bambi B 11:04:37 06/17/06 (6)
- This is *way* too long to take up seriously. So just a coupla things. - clarkjohnsen 10:35:23 06/19/06 (0)
- So Sherman, how was your vacation in Georgia? ..nt - late 12:44:14 06/17/06 (4)
- Remember film fans: "Bambi " was a deer - and not a pussy ! - Bambi B 21:34:35 06/17/06 (3)
- Although once widely thought in this location to be female. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:29:10 06/19/06 (2)
- RE: "Bambi" - Exactly the important popular misconception we Bambis try to correct ! - Bambi B 18:03:42 06/20/06 (1)
- Maybe if the name were Bambo... but then conversely we'd have Rambi... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:22:46 06/21/06 (0)
- " but in this forum, ".... Agreed... do you think young Gore played in Deep Throat? - Victor Khomenko 13:56:54 06/16/06 (6)
- Now that would be the most effective abstinence programme ever ! - Bambi B 14:26:14 06/16/06 (5)
- Christopher Hitchins has an extended meditation on blow jobs in the current Vanity Fair. - clarkjohnsen 08:28:48 06/17/06 (0)
- Artistic? He-he... - Victor Khomenko 14:58:20 06/16/06 (3)
- Re: Don´t you think that you have to be an artist?--- - patrickU 04:30:09 06/17/06 (2)
- That is why I put it in the magic movies category - Victor Khomenko 06:56:16 06/17/06 (1)
- Re: That is why I put it in the magic movies category - patrickU 07:29:04 06/17/06 (0)
- Some Science for You - jedinvest 13:49:03 06/16/06 (2)
- Trust you'll also read that Michael Crichton book State of Fear, to be balanced. Although... - clarkjohnsen 08:32:52 06/17/06 (1)
- Of course, you could read a real popular science book and learn something that is true! - jedinvest 11:59:29 06/17/06 (0)
- Global warming…bring it on…. - millen 12:38:11 06/16/06 (3)
- Yeah, funny thing... Some foolish poster below said, "If all of this is just scare mongering... - clarkjohnsen 12:54:21 06/16/06 (2)
- I guess he never heard of that thing called Sun. Furthermore, Some foolish poster below said... - Victor Khomenko 13:10:56 06/16/06 (1)
- The upper atmosphere would be warmer if the sun was the primary source. Nice fantasy tho ..nt - late 14:08:31 06/16/06 (0)
- You mean "scientists bought and paid for by big oil", not "scientists" - Bruce Kendall 11:48:43 06/16/06 (15)
- Prof. Richard Lindzen (MIT) Bought & Paid; Dr. Fred Singer UV) Bought & Paid; Dr. Sallie Baliunas (Harvard) Bought... - clarkjohnsen 13:18:18 06/16/06 (14)
- As I pointed out, there is always an Old Guard that gets left behind ..nt - late 14:03:19 06/16/06 (1)
- Yes, but in this case, it is the old guard that gets paid upfront--NT - jedinvest 21:37:51 06/16/06 (0)
- If you really looked into it, and read - Bruce Kendall 14:00:20 06/16/06 (2)
- I read the same internet you read. I just read... deeper. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:46:32 06/17/06 (1)
- {chortle} You have a 3D monitor? -t - Bruce Kendall 12:17:02 06/17/06 (0)
- Almost forgot: Dr. Michael Crichton, Bought & Paid. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:41:15 06/16/06 (8)
- Crichton? As in Jurrasic Park, Bush cheerleader Crichton? - Bruce Kendall 13:57:55 06/16/06 (7)
- Dr. of Medicine, Harvard; lecturer at CIT -- Yeah, that guy. - clarkjohnsen 08:39:23 06/17/06 (4)
- I know a few doctors myself, - Bruce Kendall 12:15:58 06/17/06 (3)
- My mind had to get changed before it got "made up". What happened? - clarkjohnsen 10:45:09 06/19/06 (2)
- So how much did you get? - Bruce Kendall 13:55:38 06/20/06 (0)
- I guess I am very gullible -- I actually BELIEVE scientists!* - jedinvest 12:50:03 06/19/06 (0)
- If you want a laugh, read Chrichton's article. ..nt - late 14:05:04 06/16/06 (1)
- I've seen excerpts. - Bruce Kendall 14:36:26 06/16/06 (0)
- Naughty, naughty little troll. - late 11:28:34 06/16/06 (0)
- Clark, show me an article with a similar point of view from a peer-reviewed scientific journal of repute... - C.B. 09:42:15 06/16/06 (26)
- Cilmate Research is a respected, peer-reviewed journal. And surprise, surprise! - clarkjohnsen 13:24:48 06/16/06 (8)
- Here's a critque of the Soon and Baliunas article in Scientific American... - C.B. 14:20:06 06/16/06 (6)
- Like I said, watching you weasel is almost worth having you renege on your debt. - clarkjohnsen 08:43:06 06/17/06 (0)
- Perhaps I should have said "peer reviewed and accepted by Al Gore" - Victor Khomenko 15:00:30 06/16/06 (4)
- He's trying to weasel out! Watch him squirm. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:44:47 06/17/06 (0)
- Perhaps you should stick to games where they let you on the playing field. - late 15:25:35 06/16/06 (2)
- So belittling a person you are... I had almost forgotten. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:55:28 06/17/06 (1)
- It's an obvious truth, they wouldn't hand you a scapel and let you do brain surgery. For the same reason ..nt - late 12:48:22 06/17/06 (0)
- I will see your 1K study and raise you a 500K study, plus 900 more right behind it ..nt - late 14:01:25 06/16/06 (0)
- Ok, how about this - rnhood 13:02:30 06/16/06 (2)
- They don't want to hear it -- and it ain't *peer reviewed*. Because you see, with "peer review"... - clarkjohnsen 13:35:03 06/16/06 (1)
- Tautological you are, ain´t ya? And playing cheap sophistry, as usual...(nt) - orejones 04:47:51 06/17/06 (0)
- What do you think the chances of publishing such work today are, in the current hysterical climate (pun...)? - Victor Khomenko 09:58:04 06/16/06 (13)
- Weak argument... - C.B. 10:25:31 06/16/06 (12)
- "Science is always open to opposing opinions" Lysenko lives! - Victor Khomenko 10:36:26 06/16/06 (11)
- So are you equating current consensus thinking on climate change with Lysenko's "theory" of genetics? (nt) - C.B. 11:25:22 06/16/06 (10)
- Why not? You don't see the current climate of intolerance? Just the matter of degree - Victor Khomenko 11:30:01 06/16/06 (9)
- Darwinists are the same damn way! Chalk it up to insecurity. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:37:17 06/16/06 (7)
- Insecurity you said? You, the shakiest guy posting here...? Pffftttt...!! (nt) - orejones 04:50:25 06/17/06 (3)
- Great demo... thanks! - Victor Khomenko 06:57:31 06/17/06 (2)
- You can always count on that guy to serve as his own worst example. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:57:30 06/17/06 (1)
- So old Miss Manners, the dry spinster, spoketh... (nt) - orejones 11:21:25 06/17/06 (0)
- beautiful transition- time to argue evolution and let's also throw in abortion (NT) - tunenut 19:15:21 06/16/06 (0)
- You telling me? They come from the same Church of Fanatical Persecution - Victor Khomenko 13:58:59 06/16/06 (1)
- So.. you took a middle ground after reading that old scientist. Have you swung back to kooky territory again? ..nt - late 14:07:21 06/16/06 (0)
- A matter of degree - late 11:35:55 06/16/06 (0)
- Thanks for the post... - semuta 08:56:35 06/16/06 (1)
- "The radical environmentalists" -- who hide under the labcoats of well-endowed scientists... - clarkjohnsen 09:17:44 06/16/06 (0)
- Man has been on the earth for such a pitifully short time- - EdM 06:59:47 06/16/06 (18)
- That theory failed to predict (obviously) and died. ..nt - late 11:38:40 06/16/06 (0)
- "ARCTIC WINTER!!!!!" Yeah, talk about inconvenient. What these poor, dear hornswoggled puddingheads fail to realize... - clarkjohnsen 09:24:13 06/16/06 (11)
- Well. there´s that small thing called Progress, with more data collected, better knowledge... - orejones 09:45:51 06/16/06 (10)
- LOL! Finally the Science's rightful owner chimes in! - Victor Khomenko 09:56:28 06/16/06 (9)
- Here´s Victor, braying loud to the rescue of his fellow pretender! Ignoramuses both... (nt) - orejones 10:11:53 06/16/06 (8)
- Sorry... Mr Science! I promize to behave around you... let me know when I can speak! - Victor Khomenko 10:16:46 06/16/06 (7)
- How can anyone who knows it all already, possibly have anything to learn? nt - clarkjohnsen 13:39:32 06/16/06 (4)
- Looking at your, and your buddy´s, behaviour is teaching me a lot about how a clam´s brain works... (nt) - orejones 10:07:48 06/17/06 (0)
- Did you ever see him say anything of a substance on this subject? - Victor Khomenko 14:01:01 06/16/06 (2)
- Can't say I have, honestly. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:58:30 06/17/06 (1)
- You don´t seem to be able to do anything honestly, dear Miss Manners... (nt) - orejones 10:14:13 06/17/06 (0)
- That´s better. Now you can leave... (nt) - orejones 10:19:51 06/16/06 (1)
- Keep him here, Bernardo! nt - Jim Pearce 11:57:25 06/16/06 (0)
- Sure. And we have been messing with atomic energy since the last century only: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobil... - orejones 07:30:06 06/16/06 (4)
- LOL! Mr Science... how about a talk with Mr. History? - Victor Khomenko 11:35:17 06/16/06 (3)
- Earth will abide, dear mujik. And mankind will, too. Only that our way of living shall have to... - orejones 11:53:49 06/16/06 (1)
- "our civilizations needed a huge lot of things, and a very stable climate" LOL! - Victor Khomenko 12:20:17 06/16/06 (0)
- Oddly, no one predicted the Earth would die. They predicted it'd get warmer. It did ..nt - late 11:40:48 06/16/06 (0)
- Maybe a pair of good quotation marks surrounding that word "Scientists" would put them... - orejones 01:44:34 06/16/06 (0)
- A quick survey of the slant of the Canada Free Press... - EBerlin 17:05:16 06/15/06 (16)
- It might be fun to read your FIL's view of you. - Victor Khomenko 10:05:00 06/16/06 (11)
- Yes, it might, but the worst he could say would roll off my back like water from the feathers of a duck... (nt) - EBerlin 16:19:30 06/16/06 (10)
- Sure looks like you have closed mind. - Victor Khomenko 06:43:53 06/17/06 (9)
- Victor, you positively make me laugh!!! - EBerlin 07:01:16 06/17/06 (8)
- Lesse... - Victor Khomenko 07:27:17 06/17/06 (7)
- Oooohh! We get to continue! - EBerlin 22:51:02 06/17/06 (2)
- Re: Oooohh! We get to continue! - Victor Khomenko 05:16:05 06/18/06 (1)
- "There are all kinds of alarmists around." They just want someone to listen to them! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:51:39 06/19/06 (0)
- The poor man is bitter, best let him brood lest he come gunning for you with a camera crew. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:03:50 06/17/06 (3)
- That´s cheap, in the meanest clarkhomenkoish way, aka despicably cheap. (nt) - orejones 10:12:57 06/17/06 (2)
- Unmanly behavior is your forte, so no wonder you seek it in others - Victor Khomenko 10:25:53 06/17/06 (1)
- You talking to that mirror you are parading to? Mind your step... (nt) - orejones 10:33:01 06/17/06 (0)
- "A quick survey of the slant of the Canada Free Press... - C.B. 09:38:21 06/16/06 (3)
- Just another example - Victor Khomenko 10:03:31 06/16/06 (2)
- This is NOT Russia, Victor - jedinvest 14:15:41 06/16/06 (1)
- Then give back Alaska! - Victor Khomenko 15:14:11 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Been thru that Outside... - Jeff Starrs 14:46:20 06/15/06 (0)
- climate of... - dave c 14:26:01 06/15/06 (0)
- A politician who blows things out of proportion? - mishmashmusic 11:06:34 06/15/06 (0)
- huge surprise - tunenut 09:59:32 06/15/06 (3)
- There's a certain Dr. from Harvard, no "self-styled conservative", who will also tell you Gore's full of it. And what... - clarkjohnsen 21:42:34 06/15/06 (2)
- examples abound (NT) - tunenut 14:03:20 06/16/06 (0)
- Most conseratives are faux these days. ..nt - late 11:45:25 06/16/06 (0)
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- A matter of degree - late 11:35:55 06/16/06 (0)
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