Here's a critque of the Soon and Baliunas article in Scientific American... - C.B.

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Topic - Scientists respond to An Inconvenient Truth - clarkjohnsen 09:28:21 06/15/06 (140)

Let me get this straight. You're open minded enough to believe that Smart Rocks will influence your hi fi, but - gme109 21:42:16 06/22/06 (4)

I don't "believe that Smart Rocks will influence [my] hi fi." Enough with the straw men. - clarkjohnsen 07:34:31 06/23/06 (3)

I've read enough of your reviews to know you're very open minded about audio tweaks. - gme109 14:41:22 06/23/06 (1)

Never denied that man "just may" have an effect. I considered it as an explanation... - clarkjohnsen 07:03:45 06/24/06 (0)

"...Mother Earth is a tough old bitch." - Perhaps, but she's getting a little long of tooth ... - Audiophilander 09:50:11 06/23/06 (0)

So Clark, have YOU seen the film, or are you just conveniently blowing greenhouse gas again? (nt) - Audiophilander 21:05:36 06/16/06 (12)

Hmm... - RGA 05:34:52 06/20/06 (0)

"the power of 1000 cows" nt - dave c 14:25:28 06/17/06 (0)

Yeah I saw it - EdM 13:32:22 06/17/06 (4)

Considering how a few hours burning made just ashes of the greatest collection of written knowledge... - orejones 01:58:19 06/19/06 (3)

Excuse me- you don't think there were forest fires millions - EdM 08:05:25 06/19/06 (2)

What you donÂ´t seem to realize is that every C atom in that oil we are so merrily burning comes from a CO2 mollecule... - orejones 09:19:03 06/19/06 (1)

You lost me there... - jedinvest 10:27:22 06/19/06 (0)

Why do you not ask that question to *all* the respondents below, hmmmm? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:47 06/17/06 (2)

First, it's your thread. Second, many, if not most of us..stuck to the science of it, or your propaganda ..nt - late 12:55:56 06/17/06 (0)

IOW you haven't seen it. Hey, you are still qualified to protest it then. NT - Analog Scott 11:49:23 06/17/06 (0)

Any movie protestor worth his salt knows you are not suppoed to see the movie you are protesting. - Analog Scott 08:56:35 06/17/06 (0)

. . er, you mean deadly methane . . . * - mr grits 07:36:22 06/17/06 (0)

Take this outdoors! * - mr grits 20:07:59 06/16/06 (1)

It's movie criticism! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:09:27 06/17/06 (0)

A Reason-able response... - rditmars 15:52:10 06/16/06 (4)

"[Al Gore] brooding on the fate of the earth." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 08:17:15 06/17/06 (1)

Re: "[Al Gore] brooding on the fate of the earth." LOL! - AudioHead 06:31:32 06/19/06 (0)

"Gore has won the global warming debateâ€”the world is warming as a consequence of human activity, ... - orejones 01:37:58 06/17/06 (0)

Free Minds, Free Markets -- you know you're being dupped right there ... - jedinvest 16:30:44 06/16/06 (0)

Not only is Global Warming not true, industry is not responsible ! - Bambi B 13:49:05 06/16/06 (17)

"Unmeasurable technologies/effects like... obtuse polarity." Assuming you mean "absolute polarity"... - clarkjohnsen 08:26:51 06/17/06 (9)

Please, please don't answer Bambi's post below. I want to - tinear 18:16:42 06/17/06 (1)

No need, I have already received a devastating e-mail from Clark's mommy ! Plus an apology to Clark - Bambi B 10:52:25 06/18/06 (0)

An Inconvenient Truth - Bambi B 11:04:37 06/17/06 (6)

This is *way* too long to take up seriously. So just a coupla things. - clarkjohnsen 10:35:23 06/19/06 (0)

So Sherman, how was your vacation in Georgia? ..nt - late 12:44:14 06/17/06 (4)

Remember film fans: "Bambi " was a deer - and not a pussy ! - Bambi B 21:34:35 06/17/06 (3)

Although once widely thought in this location to be female. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:29:10 06/19/06 (2)

RE: "Bambi" - Exactly the important popular misconception we Bambis try to correct ! - Bambi B 18:03:42 06/20/06 (1)

Maybe if the name were Bambo... but then conversely we'd have Rambi... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:22:46 06/21/06 (0)

" but in this forum, ".... Agreed... do you think young Gore played in Deep Throat? - Victor Khomenko 13:56:54 06/16/06 (6)

Now that would be the most effective abstinence programme ever ! - Bambi B 14:26:14 06/16/06 (5)

Christopher Hitchins has an extended meditation on blow jobs in the current Vanity Fair. - clarkjohnsen 08:28:48 06/17/06 (0)

Artistic? He-he... - Victor Khomenko 14:58:20 06/16/06 (3)

Re: DonÂ´t you think that you have to be an artist?--- - patrickU 04:30:09 06/17/06 (2)

That is why I put it in the magic movies category - Victor Khomenko 06:56:16 06/17/06 (1)

Re: That is why I put it in the magic movies category - patrickU 07:29:04 06/17/06 (0)

Some Science for You - jedinvest 13:49:03 06/16/06 (2)

Trust you'll also read that Michael Crichton book State of Fear, to be balanced. Although... - clarkjohnsen 08:32:52 06/17/06 (1)

Of course, you could read a real popular science book and learn something that is true! - jedinvest 11:59:29 06/17/06 (0)

Global warmingâ€¦bring it onâ€¦. - millen 12:38:11 06/16/06 (3)

Yeah, funny thing... Some foolish poster below said, "If all of this is just scare mongering... - clarkjohnsen 12:54:21 06/16/06 (2)

I guess he never heard of that thing called Sun. Furthermore, Some foolish poster below said... - Victor Khomenko 13:10:56 06/16/06 (1)

The upper atmosphere would be warmer if the sun was the primary source. Nice fantasy tho ..nt - late 14:08:31 06/16/06 (0)

You mean "scientists bought and paid for by big oil", not "scientists" - Bruce Kendall 11:48:43 06/16/06 (15)

Prof. Richard Lindzen (MIT) Bought & Paid; Dr. Fred Singer UV) Bought & Paid; Dr. Sallie Baliunas (Harvard) Bought... - clarkjohnsen 13:18:18 06/16/06 (14)

As I pointed out, there is always an Old Guard that gets left behind ..nt - late 14:03:19 06/16/06 (1)

Yes, but in this case, it is the old guard that gets paid upfront--NT - jedinvest 21:37:51 06/16/06 (0)

If you really looked into it, and read - Bruce Kendall 14:00:20 06/16/06 (2)

I read the same internet you read. I just read... deeper. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:46:32 06/17/06 (1)

{chortle} You have a 3D monitor? -t - Bruce Kendall 12:17:02 06/17/06 (0)

Almost forgot: Dr. Michael Crichton, Bought & Paid. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:41:15 06/16/06 (8)

Crichton? As in Jurrasic Park, Bush cheerleader Crichton? - Bruce Kendall 13:57:55 06/16/06 (7)

Dr. of Medicine, Harvard; lecturer at CIT -- Yeah, that guy. - clarkjohnsen 08:39:23 06/17/06 (4)

I know a few doctors myself, - Bruce Kendall 12:15:58 06/17/06 (3)

My mind had to get changed before it got "made up". What happened? - clarkjohnsen 10:45:09 06/19/06 (2)

So how much did you get? - Bruce Kendall 13:55:38 06/20/06 (0)

I guess I am very gullible -- I actually BELIEVE scientists!* - jedinvest 12:50:03 06/19/06 (0)

If you want a laugh, read Chrichton's article. ..nt - late 14:05:04 06/16/06 (1)

I've seen excerpts. - Bruce Kendall 14:36:26 06/16/06 (0)

Naughty, naughty little troll. - late 11:28:34 06/16/06 (0)

Clark, show me an article with a similar point of view from a peer-reviewed scientific journal of repute... - C.B. 09:42:15 06/16/06 (26)

Cilmate Research is a respected, peer-reviewed journal. And surprise, surprise! - clarkjohnsen 13:24:48 06/16/06 (8)

Here's a critque of the Soon and Baliunas article in Scientific American... - C.B. 14:20:06 06/16/06 (6)

Like I said, watching you weasel is almost worth having you renege on your debt. - clarkjohnsen 08:43:06 06/17/06 (0)

Perhaps I should have said "peer reviewed and accepted by Al Gore" - Victor Khomenko 15:00:30 06/16/06 (4)

He's trying to weasel out! Watch him squirm. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:44:47 06/17/06 (0)

Perhaps you should stick to games where they let you on the playing field. - late 15:25:35 06/16/06 (2)

So belittling a person you are... I had almost forgotten. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:55:28 06/17/06 (1)

It's an obvious truth, they wouldn't hand you a scapel and let you do brain surgery. For the same reason ..nt - late 12:48:22 06/17/06 (0)

I will see your 1K study and raise you a 500K study, plus 900 more right behind it ..nt - late 14:01:25 06/16/06 (0)

Ok, how about this - rnhood 13:02:30 06/16/06 (2)

They don't want to hear it -- and it ain't *peer reviewed*. Because you see, with "peer review"... - clarkjohnsen 13:35:03 06/16/06 (1)

Tautological you are, ainÂ´t ya? And playing cheap sophistry, as usual...(nt) - orejones 04:47:51 06/17/06 (0)

What do you think the chances of publishing such work today are, in the current hysterical climate (pun...)? - Victor Khomenko 09:58:04 06/16/06 (13)

Weak argument... - C.B. 10:25:31 06/16/06 (12)

"Science is always open to opposing opinions" Lysenko lives! - Victor Khomenko 10:36:26 06/16/06 (11)

So are you equating current consensus thinking on climate change with Lysenko's "theory" of genetics? (nt) - C.B. 11:25:22 06/16/06 (10)

Why not? You don't see the current climate of intolerance? Just the matter of degree - Victor Khomenko 11:30:01 06/16/06 (9)

Darwinists are the same damn way! Chalk it up to insecurity. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:37:17 06/16/06 (7)

Insecurity you said? You, the shakiest guy posting here...? Pffftttt...!! (nt) - orejones 04:50:25 06/17/06 (3)

Great demo... thanks! - Victor Khomenko 06:57:31 06/17/06 (2)

You can always count on that guy to serve as his own worst example. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:57:30 06/17/06 (1)

So old Miss Manners, the dry spinster, spoketh... (nt) - orejones 11:21:25 06/17/06 (0)

beautiful transition- time to argue evolution and let's also throw in abortion (NT) - tunenut 19:15:21 06/16/06 (0)

You telling me? They come from the same Church of Fanatical Persecution - Victor Khomenko 13:58:59 06/16/06 (1)

So.. you took a middle ground after reading that old scientist. Have you swung back to kooky territory again? ..nt - late 14:07:21 06/16/06 (0)

A matter of degree - late 11:35:55 06/16/06 (0)

Thanks for the post... - semuta 08:56:35 06/16/06 (1)

"The radical environmentalists" -- who hide under the labcoats of well-endowed scientists... - clarkjohnsen 09:17:44 06/16/06 (0)

Man has been on the earth for such a pitifully short time- - EdM 06:59:47 06/16/06 (18)

That theory failed to predict (obviously) and died. ..nt - late 11:38:40 06/16/06 (0)

"ARCTIC WINTER!!!!!" Yeah, talk about inconvenient. What these poor, dear hornswoggled puddingheads fail to realize... - clarkjohnsen 09:24:13 06/16/06 (11)

Well. thereÂ´s that small thing called Progress, with more data collected, better knowledge... - orejones 09:45:51 06/16/06 (10)

LOL! Finally the Science's rightful owner chimes in! - Victor Khomenko 09:56:28 06/16/06 (9)

HereÂ´s Victor, braying loud to the rescue of his fellow pretender! Ignoramuses both... (nt) - orejones 10:11:53 06/16/06 (8)

Sorry... Mr Science! I promize to behave around you... let me know when I can speak! - Victor Khomenko 10:16:46 06/16/06 (7)

How can anyone who knows it all already, possibly have anything to learn? nt - clarkjohnsen 13:39:32 06/16/06 (4)

Looking at your, and your buddyÂ´s, behaviour is teaching me a lot about how a clamÂ´s brain works... (nt) - orejones 10:07:48 06/17/06 (0)

Did you ever see him say anything of a substance on this subject? - Victor Khomenko 14:01:01 06/16/06 (2)

Can't say I have, honestly. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:58:30 06/17/06 (1)

You donÂ´t seem to be able to do anything honestly, dear Miss Manners... (nt) - orejones 10:14:13 06/17/06 (0)

ThatÂ´s better. Now you can leave... (nt) - orejones 10:19:51 06/16/06 (1)

Keep him here, Bernardo! nt - Jim Pearce 11:57:25 06/16/06 (0)

Sure. And we have been messing with atomic energy since the last century only: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobil... - orejones 07:30:06 06/16/06 (4)

LOL! Mr Science... how about a talk with Mr. History? - Victor Khomenko 11:35:17 06/16/06 (3)

Earth will abide, dear mujik. And mankind will, too. Only that our way of living shall have to... - orejones 11:53:49 06/16/06 (1)

"our civilizations needed a huge lot of things, and a very stable climate" LOL! - Victor Khomenko 12:20:17 06/16/06 (0)

Oddly, no one predicted the Earth would die. They predicted it'd get warmer. It did ..nt - late 11:40:48 06/16/06 (0)

Maybe a pair of good quotation marks surrounding that word "Scientists" would put them... - orejones 01:44:34 06/16/06 (0)

A quick survey of the slant of the Canada Free Press... - EBerlin 17:05:16 06/15/06 (16)

It might be fun to read your FIL's view of you. - Victor Khomenko 10:05:00 06/16/06 (11)

Yes, it might, but the worst he could say would roll off my back like water from the feathers of a duck... (nt) - EBerlin 16:19:30 06/16/06 (10)

Sure looks like you have closed mind. - Victor Khomenko 06:43:53 06/17/06 (9)

Victor, you positively make me laugh!!! - EBerlin 07:01:16 06/17/06 (8)

Lesse... - Victor Khomenko 07:27:17 06/17/06 (7)

Oooohh! We get to continue! - EBerlin 22:51:02 06/17/06 (2)

Re: Oooohh! We get to continue! - Victor Khomenko 05:16:05 06/18/06 (1)

"There are all kinds of alarmists around." They just want someone to listen to them! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:51:39 06/19/06 (0)

The poor man is bitter, best let him brood lest he come gunning for you with a camera crew. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:03:50 06/17/06 (3)

ThatÂ´s cheap, in the meanest clarkhomenkoish way, aka despicably cheap. (nt) - orejones 10:12:57 06/17/06 (2)

Unmanly behavior is your forte, so no wonder you seek it in others - Victor Khomenko 10:25:53 06/17/06 (1)

You talking to that mirror you are parading to? Mind your step... (nt) - orejones 10:33:01 06/17/06 (0)

"A quick survey of the slant of the Canada Free Press... - C.B. 09:38:21 06/16/06 (3)

Just another example - Victor Khomenko 10:03:31 06/16/06 (2)

This is NOT Russia, Victor - jedinvest 14:15:41 06/16/06 (1)

Then give back Alaska! - Victor Khomenko 15:14:11 06/16/06 (0)

Re: Been thru that Outside... - Jeff Starrs 14:46:20 06/15/06 (0)

climate of... - dave c 14:26:01 06/15/06 (0)

A politician who blows things out of proportion? - mishmashmusic 11:06:34 06/15/06 (0)

huge surprise - tunenut 09:59:32 06/15/06 (3)

There's a certain Dr. from Harvard, no "self-styled conservative", who will also tell you Gore's full of it. And what... - clarkjohnsen 21:42:34 06/15/06 (2)

examples abound (NT) - tunenut 14:03:20 06/16/06 (0)

Most conseratives are faux these days. ..nt - late 11:45:25 06/16/06 (0)

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Here's a critque of the Soon and Baliunas article in Scientific American... - C.B. 14:20:06 06/16/06 (6)

Like I said, watching you weasel is almost worth having you renege on your debt. - clarkjohnsen 08:43:06 06/17/06 (0)

Perhaps I should have said "peer reviewed and accepted by Al Gore" - Victor Khomenko 15:00:30 06/16/06 (4)

He's trying to weasel out! Watch him squirm. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:44:47 06/17/06 (0)

Perhaps you should stick to games where they let you on the playing field. - late 15:25:35 06/16/06 (2)

So belittling a person you are... I had almost forgotten. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:55:28 06/17/06 (1)

It's an obvious truth, they wouldn't hand you a scapel and let you do brain surgery. For the same reason ..nt - late 12:48:22 06/17/06 (0)