Home Films/DVD Asylum

Movies from comedy to drama to your favorite Hollyweird Star.

[ Follow Ups ] Thread: [ Display  All  Email ] [ Films/DVD Asylum ]
[ Alert Moderator ]

Actually, I don;t see a lot of debunking so far...

I get to page 4 where they are attempting to rationalize the heat melting or warping steel and all they are doing to "debunk" the so called conspiracy is oferring up Guesswork. "However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat."

I am not convinced because plenty of other buildings in history with metal pillars which bunrned at high heats from Rugs, paper etc did not fall down and some of those building were burning for a full day over more floors and were not as well built. The tower pillars would not have caved in on themelves going straight down - if they did not melt and merely warped then the concrete would have fell between the pillars. I mean you just have to look at that one logically - they are not debunking it they are merely trying to explain it from the position of the government being honest.

The engineer who said it looked like demolition explosions and who now claims he was misquoted is not debunked at all. Although I also agree with the issue around pancaking that does not explain the visible white lights of an incenduary device. Certainly pressure from above would push out the smoke similar to explosive but there is nothing debunking about this -- again it is another explanation.

And because Romero is on the Government payroll he is goingto have a tough time. Assuming for a moment that the conspiracy theories were true - if the government was willing to kill 3000 lives I am certain they would be willing to threaten the lives of Romero and his family to shut up and retract what he says. If you dismiss the conspiracy theory then of course you just take his word for it and put the onus back on the conspiracy theorists. Clearly it looks like a controlled explosion. The heat tranfer just does not really support their views.

The issue of the bombs in this film do not suggest that they were at ground level.

They offer lots of "could have been the reason" for kind of evidence but that is hardly evidence. Although I do grant neither has the other side. I mean the fact that all the put in stocks went up due to insider information days before 9/11 and that the fellow who owns the buildings put a 3.5 billion insurance policy on the building 6 weeks before they were hit are just coincidental happenstances as well.

The argument on the film was not that the wing hitting the pentagaon should make a cartoon like hole into the building but that there should at the very least be damage to the wall where the wing hit or some evidence that the grass was hit by the wing that Popular mechanics is saying happened -- or that at least the blast withstanding windows would have been impacted by a blast outweighing their protective abilities. Though I will give them the plausability on the windows.

The plane issue being a plane or a missile - well yes there were plane parts - the question not answered by PM is that the plane parts do not correspond with the right plane.

In this film Fligt 93 is reported to have landed at an entirely different airport and that those people at the crash site of Flight 93 have not found a single drop of blood or wreckage at all. This differes widely with all the conspriacy theories and as I say we would have to check their fact on this one.

Man I don't know but that whole article is supsect in terms of scientific debunking -- explanations yes - some plausible ones too but gee it does not really stack up much.

The problem with a conspiracy theory is that if it is levelled against a government body and the government body is paying the scientists and experts to refute the conspiracy then you have a serious problem related to identifying the actual truth. It is not unlike trusting the science of the drugs the drug industry promotes when there is a huge profit factor in the line.

Most of what PM has done is pick and choose which arguments to refute and which ones to stay well clear of. Not unlike the film JFK. Stone notes that in his film (a decade later) that they have in fact refuted some of the leaps he made based on the fact he had at the time -- but refuting 12 facts still leaves the other 25 untouched is hardly enough to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
  Schiit Audio  

Follow Ups Full Thread
Follow Ups
You can not post to an archived thread.

[ Top Top of Page ] [ Contact Us ] [ Support/Wish List ] [ Copyright © 2024, Audio Asylum, all rights reserved ]
[ General ] [ Speakers ] [ Tubes ] [ Vinyl ] [ Digital ] [ Hi-Rez ] [ Video Asylum ] [ Cables ] [ Tweaks/DIY ] [ Music ] [ Films ]