In Reply to: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" posted by tinear on June 23, 2007 at 13:53:59:
"To his own people, tens of millions of whom died by his hand, he was a rapacious beast."
You mean that to those who were not victims of his brutality, he was not a beast? That to consider someone like Stalin a beast, one needs to be victim of his brutality?
He killed tens of millions of his own people because he perceived them a political threat. For all the U.S. imperfections, our history is devoid of such conduct. Also, the fairly recent film of Czech fighter pilots who escaped to England to fight for the allies against Hitler, returned home after the war, only to be incarcerated and brutally tortured by Russian forces because they fought for the allies.
I would agree that Stalin's methods of invading countries to spread Lenin's philosophy was not similar to Hitler, but then again, Truman agreed to give Stalin eastern block countries, and with that deal, the lives of millions of people who could not choose their own destiny, eliminating the need for invasion. Fact is, not much separates Stalin from Hitler, no matter how some on the left try to differentiate the two.
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- RE: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" - jamesgarvin 11:17:20 06/24/07 (48)
- RE: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" - Tom Brennan 12:26:48 06/24/07 (37)
- RE: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" - jamesgarvin 09:38:29 06/25/07 (26)
- "Apparently, you feel there is no difference between 'liberation' and 'occupation.'" Great line! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:08:03 06/26/07 (0)
- Soviet Army was much bigger than the Allied Army... - oscar 11:00:24 06/25/07 (24)
- RE: Soviet Army was much bigger than the Allied Army... - jamesgarvin 15:47:27 06/25/07 (16)
- RE: Soviet Army was much bigger than the Allied Army... - Tom Brennan 17:56:56 06/25/07 (15)
- when Harry Met Sally, oh sorry, I thought it was a film forum... Wnen Germany Met The USSR... - dave c 15:18:14 06/26/07 (0)
- Perhaps you should check your facts... - jamesgarvin 08:02:35 06/26/07 (13)
- You quoted the state of the Soviet Union in 1941. - oscar 08:31:50 06/27/07 (3)
- RE: You quoted the state of the Soviet Union in 1941. - jamesgarvin 10:08:51 06/27/07 (2)
- You need better sources than Wikipedia.... - oscar 10:47:03 06/27/07 (1)
- RE: You need better sources than Wikipedia.... - jamesgarvin 09:07:29 06/28/07 (0)
- RE: Perhaps you should check your facts... - Tom Brennan 11:37:16 06/26/07 (0)
- That would seem to answer the question... unless one challenges Wikipedia... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:19:12 06/26/07 (7)
- so Wikipedia is the unchallenged source of all historical knowledge? - groovenoter 22:49:57 06/26/07 (5)
- You are discussing a different issue.. - jamesgarvin 10:22:40 06/27/07 (4)
- Have you analyzed the available combat air power available to the Soviet Union vs. - oscar 15:50:09 06/27/07 (3)
- RE: Have you analyzed the available combat air power available to the Soviet Union vs. - jamesgarvin 08:58:05 06/28/07 (2)
- Beautiful post. Fact. Firmly establishes the original assertion. Reasoning. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:02:57 06/28/07 (0)
- There's that 1941 state of affairs compared to 1944 State of affairs. - oscar 09:55:22 06/28/07 (0)
- How dare anyone challenge he wisdom of the underpants of Wiki? - dave c 15:20:55 06/26/07 (0)
- The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - Tom Brennan 14:45:50 06/25/07 (6)
- RE: The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - jamesgarvin 15:39:27 06/25/07 (5)
- RE: The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - Tom Brennan 17:45:16 06/25/07 (4)
- RE: The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - jamesgarvin 07:54:22 06/26/07 (3)
- "I am curious as to what interest we had in fighting Germany." Good question. - clarkjohnsen 08:15:37 06/26/07 (2)
- An unanswered question too, so far. Who will go for it I wonder... nt - clarkjohnsen 09:27:49 06/27/07 (1)
- here is your starter for 10... - dave c 14:30:31 06/27/07 (0)
- "Truman gave Stalin nothing." Correct. The culprit was FDR and his "sellout" at Yalta (and earlier). - clarkjohnsen 08:39:54 06/25/07 (8)
- Germany should still be split - Tom Brennan 14:49:36 06/25/07 (7)
- Is that with or without John Wayne leading the fight? - dave c 15:23:23 06/26/07 (1)
- RE: Is that with or without John Wayne leading the fight? - Tom Brennan 18:17:41 06/26/07 (0)
- The question was not whether Germany *should* have been split. (Sticking to the question... - clarkjohnsen 08:04:14 06/26/07 (4)
- RE: The question was not whether Germany *should* have been split. (Sticking to the question... - Tom Brennan 11:42:23 06/26/07 (3)
- "The whole of Germany would [not] be worth the life of one American grenadier." One word: - clarkjohnsen 09:32:14 06/27/07 (0)
- but how many lives was it worth to lose to gain... - dave c 15:25:57 06/26/07 (1)
- RE: but how many lives was it worth to lose to gain... - Tom Brennan 18:16:05 06/26/07 (0)
- Russia lost what, 8 million soldiers to our 330,000 and tens of MILLIONS - tinear 16:32:57 06/24/07 (0)
- Your astonishing misreading of my simple sentence is not - tinear 11:59:19 06/24/07 (3)
- RE: Your astonishing misreading of my simple sentence is not - jamesgarvin 09:42:59 06/25/07 (2)
- Compared to Stalin, Hitler was a parvenue. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:29:33 06/27/07 (0)
- Human lives aren't commodities. Hitler, Stalin, Mao... who's the worst? All. nt - tinear 14:41:04 06/25/07 (0)
- Don't mind tinear. He's AA's resident apologist for commies and Islamic terrorists ... - MMasztal 11:57:03 06/24/07 (5)
- I always thought that was my job... - dave c 14:03:16 06/24/07 (4)
- RE: I always thought that was my job... - jamesgarvin 09:47:00 06/25/07 (3)
- why do you think the USA entered WW2? nt - dave c 13:35:52 06/25/07 (2)
- RE: why do you think the USA entered WW2? nt - jamesgarvin 15:53:12 06/25/07 (1)
- some thoughts - dave c 15:04:36 06/26/07 (0)