In Reply to: so Wikipedia is the unchallenged source of all historical knowledge? posted by groovenoter on June 26, 2007 at 22:49:57:
The issue is not the superiority of the ground troops. The issue is the superiority of the air force. I posited that the Soviet air force was no match for the U.S. and the British air forces. Particularly if they are combined.
Let's look at what happened in Japan. The U.S. planned a ground invasion of Japan, and the generals determined there was only one place on the island that enough ground troops could land for an invasion of Japan. For some unexplained reason, prior to the planned invasion, Japan fortified that area (I believe it was on the Southwest corner of the island) prior to the invasion. At that point, the generals went back to Truman, informed him of the movement, and determined that to land in that area with the fortified troops would now cause many times the losses of life which were lost on Normandy.
Truman then determined that the cost of American life was too high, and decided to drop the bomb. Relevance? Japan's location and troop strenghts precluded an invasion. But there were other ways to skin the cat. Drop the bomb. All the troop strength in the world would not counteract the effect of such a device. The bomb forced Japan to capitulate. I doubt they knew how many devices the U.S. had - they only knew that IF the U.S. had another, there was no way for them to prevent another bomb because of the U.S.s superior air force and navy.
Now, move to Europe. While a ground invasion against the Soviets would have been bloody as hell, and victory questionable, the Soviets know that the U.S. has a techonology they do not possess, and, because of a superior navy, a means of delivery they do not possess. Let's assume another bomb is in the offing. Given the U.S. and British superiority in the sky and on the water, I postulate there is not much the Soviets could have done to prevent the U.S. dropping one on Moscow. If they had the will. Which Truman did not.
At the end of the day, the Soviets were handed Eastern Block countries as a spoil of war - hey they lost a lot, let's give them some countries in return. Nobody has yet to comment on whether a country should be rewarded in such a fashion.
"PS BTW re Soviet air power, I think the air ace with highest numbers of kills in aerial combat on all sides, in all theatres of WW2, is a Soviet fighter pilot. Need to check on this. "
Sure. Kobe Bryant scores a ton of points. Where are the Lakers?
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Follow Ups
- You are discussing a different issue.. - jamesgarvin 10:22:40 06/27/07 (4)
- Have you analyzed the available combat air power available to the Soviet Union vs. - oscar 15:50:09 06/27/07 (3)
- RE: Have you analyzed the available combat air power available to the Soviet Union vs. - jamesgarvin 08:58:05 06/28/07 (2)
- Beautiful post. Fact. Firmly establishes the original assertion. Reasoning. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:02:57 06/28/07 (0)
- There's that 1941 state of affairs compared to 1944 State of affairs. - oscar 09:55:22 06/28/07 (0)