In Reply to: RE: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" posted by jamesgarvin on June 24, 2007 at 11:17:20:
"Truman agreed to give Stalin eastern block countries, and with that deal, the lives of millions of people who could not choose their own destiny, eliminating the need for invasion."
Truman gave Stalin nothing, those were lands taken by the Red Army at the cost huge casualties at the hands of the Germans. And there wasn't a dmaned thing we could do about it either except fight ANOTHER war with the Soviets, a war we might very well have been whipped in.
Perhaps you think the Red Army should have stopped at the Russian borders and The United States should have lost a couple of million men beating the Germans in east Germany, Poland, the Baltic states, Hungary, and so on?
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- RE: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" - Tom Brennan 12:26:48 06/24/07 (37)
- RE: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" - jamesgarvin 09:38:29 06/25/07 (26)
- "Apparently, you feel there is no difference between 'liberation' and 'occupation.'" Great line! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:08:03 06/26/07 (0)
- Soviet Army was much bigger than the Allied Army... - oscar 11:00:24 06/25/07 (24)
- RE: Soviet Army was much bigger than the Allied Army... - jamesgarvin 15:47:27 06/25/07 (16)
- RE: Soviet Army was much bigger than the Allied Army... - Tom Brennan 17:56:56 06/25/07 (15)
- when Harry Met Sally, oh sorry, I thought it was a film forum... Wnen Germany Met The USSR... - dave c 15:18:14 06/26/07 (0)
- Perhaps you should check your facts... - jamesgarvin 08:02:35 06/26/07 (13)
- You quoted the state of the Soviet Union in 1941. - oscar 08:31:50 06/27/07 (3)
- RE: You quoted the state of the Soviet Union in 1941. - jamesgarvin 10:08:51 06/27/07 (2)
- You need better sources than Wikipedia.... - oscar 10:47:03 06/27/07 (1)
- RE: You need better sources than Wikipedia.... - jamesgarvin 09:07:29 06/28/07 (0)
- RE: Perhaps you should check your facts... - Tom Brennan 11:37:16 06/26/07 (0)
- That would seem to answer the question... unless one challenges Wikipedia... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:19:12 06/26/07 (7)
- so Wikipedia is the unchallenged source of all historical knowledge? - groovenoter 22:49:57 06/26/07 (5)
- You are discussing a different issue.. - jamesgarvin 10:22:40 06/27/07 (4)
- Have you analyzed the available combat air power available to the Soviet Union vs. - oscar 15:50:09 06/27/07 (3)
- RE: Have you analyzed the available combat air power available to the Soviet Union vs. - jamesgarvin 08:58:05 06/28/07 (2)
- Beautiful post. Fact. Firmly establishes the original assertion. Reasoning. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:02:57 06/28/07 (0)
- There's that 1941 state of affairs compared to 1944 State of affairs. - oscar 09:55:22 06/28/07 (0)
- How dare anyone challenge he wisdom of the underpants of Wiki? - dave c 15:20:55 06/26/07 (0)
- The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - Tom Brennan 14:45:50 06/25/07 (6)
- RE: The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - jamesgarvin 15:39:27 06/25/07 (5)
- RE: The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - Tom Brennan 17:45:16 06/25/07 (4)
- RE: The Atom Bomb wasn't ready yet - jamesgarvin 07:54:22 06/26/07 (3)
- "I am curious as to what interest we had in fighting Germany." Good question. - clarkjohnsen 08:15:37 06/26/07 (2)
- An unanswered question too, so far. Who will go for it I wonder... nt - clarkjohnsen 09:27:49 06/27/07 (1)
- here is your starter for 10... - dave c 14:30:31 06/27/07 (0)
- "Truman gave Stalin nothing." Correct. The culprit was FDR and his "sellout" at Yalta (and earlier). - clarkjohnsen 08:39:54 06/25/07 (8)
- Germany should still be split - Tom Brennan 14:49:36 06/25/07 (7)
- Is that with or without John Wayne leading the fight? - dave c 15:23:23 06/26/07 (1)
- RE: Is that with or without John Wayne leading the fight? - Tom Brennan 18:17:41 06/26/07 (0)
- The question was not whether Germany *should* have been split. (Sticking to the question... - clarkjohnsen 08:04:14 06/26/07 (4)
- RE: The question was not whether Germany *should* have been split. (Sticking to the question... - Tom Brennan 11:42:23 06/26/07 (3)
- "The whole of Germany would [not] be worth the life of one American grenadier." One word: - clarkjohnsen 09:32:14 06/27/07 (0)
- but how many lives was it worth to lose to gain... - dave c 15:25:57 06/26/07 (1)
- RE: but how many lives was it worth to lose to gain... - Tom Brennan 18:16:05 06/26/07 (0)
- Russia lost what, 8 million soldiers to our 330,000 and tens of MILLIONS - tinear 16:32:57 06/24/07 (0)