I said in "real time." Quite different from your reading. We'll just disagree about

Posted by tinear (A) on January 31, 2012 at 17:10:25

In Reply to: The fight scenes sucked posted by Analog Scott on January 30, 2012 at 09:34:58:

what constitutes "real," regarding the larger issue. Bourne? Realistic to you? All the rapid cutting, speeding up and slowing down?
James Bond? No. Same problem.
Again, Gina's fights weren't artificially speeded up and down w/a 1000 cuts.
This was old-timey, low-tech. Editing was great, it looked brutal. Fights went on w/out the MTV-millisecond edit. It felt brutal. What other star has chops like her (female)? None. I can't think of a major Hollywood male, either, so feel free to mention one who's gotten into a professional fight.
You miss the point by mentioning doubles/stunts. She didn't need one--- no turning aside, no shots from the rear of the action. She was the "actor."
As far as her acting chops, one doesn't see these films for that.... Let's face it, Jason ain't Olivier, either.
And then there's Soderbergh, a far better director than usually takes these films:
(from an interview w/him)
"With a real fighter, you do get to execute some pretty serious fight scenes.

Very early on, we decided we wanted to keep them as realistic as possible. No wirework. Nothing that you couldn't actually do. And as a result, the fights aren't very long, because what we learned is that if you're gonna keep it real, and these people are only doing what they can do, it doesn't drag out for very long.

Steven Soderbergh built a movie around pro fighter Gina Carano.

You built a cast around her—of guys who wouldn't mind being beaten up by a girl?

Yeah. And also who were—we didn't want to be using doubles and cheating and cutting away. So these guys really needed to know how to do it. I mean, God, Fassbender, she really put him through the wringer. That was a pretty intense two days. Depending on the shot, he may have a pad here or there, but she's really strong. During training she accidentally knocked out one of the stunt coordinators. She was constantly telling Channing [Tatum], "You're not—you need to hit me harder. Stop pulling it." It's just really, really satisfying to see a woman beat up on guys like that."
WSJ

I sense we'll not agree since we obviously disagree about what constitutes quality editing, fight choreography. I'd just note that the New Yorker's reviewer agrees with me... he may know something about editing and such, but what the hell...

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Topic - "Haywire:" a thinking man's action film starring a believably tough woman, Gina Carano. - tinear 15:39:38 01/27/12 (27)

Didn't work for me - Analog Scott 20:01:41 01/29/12 (15)

What the heck???? Attack the acting, the plot, whatever, but the action, specifically the - tinear 20:14:35 01/29/12 (14)

The fight scenes sucked - Analog Scott 09:34:58 01/30/12 (13)

I said in "real time." Quite different from your reading. We'll just disagree about - tinear 17:10:25 01/31/12 (5)

RE: I said in "real time." Quite different from your reading. We'll just disagree about - Analog Scott 00:16:54 02/01/12 (4)

Chuck Norris? Oh, c'mon. If anything, Chuck lowered the bar for fight scenes. You think Craig, btw, is more - tinear 13:18:10 02/01/12 (3)

you asked a specific question and I gave you an answer. - Analog Scott 14:10:30 02/01/12 (2)

Just stop. You've been Tinned...it's like being Rick Rolled only Tin goes on longer. - Enophile 16:51:36 02/01/12 (1)

LOL - Analog Scott 18:23:30 02/01/12 (0)

Speaking as a fight scene aficionado... - Enophile 18:42:39 01/30/12 (4)

"favorite fight scene performers" - oldmkvi 11:00:21 01/31/12 (0)

RE: Speaking as a fight scene aficionado... - Analog Scott 19:04:40 01/30/12 (2)

Yeah, Steve Soderbergh is such a crummy cinematographer and editor, AS. Righto! nt - tinear 13:08:45 02/01/12 (1)

In this case yes - Analog Scott 13:32:44 02/01/12 (0)

What they had... - mkuller 11:07:32 01/30/12 (1)

in reality - Analog Scott 11:19:30 01/30/12 (0)

I agree and definitely enjoyed it. (NT) - jeffreybehr 16:20:42 01/27/12 (0)

Not too shabby but was "substance lite" . . . - mr grits 16:08:43 01/27/12 (9)

Daughter of an ex Dallas Cowboy QB, so she's gotta be good! ^ - Road Warrior 20:18:39 01/27/12 (8)

OK, I'm old. Her dad was a few years ahead of me at our high school. - Enophile 11:31:47 01/28/12 (4)

Wow...talk about coincidences... - mkuller 21:55:21 01/28/12 (2)

We moved over the summer and came across a six pack of '92 Siena... - Enophile 10:43:11 01/30/12 (1)

We go to their twice a year... - mkuller 11:15:08 01/30/12 (0)

F-C chardonnay is good stuff. nt - tinear 16:52:59 01/28/12 (0)

She has some looks, some moves, and a no teaties clause in her contract. * - mr grits 21:45:43 01/27/12 (2)

So she's not enough of... - mkuller 10:04:34 01/28/12 (1)

"Thesbian" (sic): very clever. nt - tinear 11:37:11 01/29/12 (0)

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I said in "real time." Quite different from your reading. We'll just disagree about - tinear 17:10:25 01/31/12 (5)

RE: I said in "real time." Quite different from your reading. We'll just disagree about - Analog Scott 00:16:54 02/01/12 (4)

Chuck Norris? Oh, c'mon. If anything, Chuck lowered the bar for fight scenes. You think Craig, btw, is more - tinear 13:18:10 02/01/12 (3)

you asked a specific question and I gave you an answer. - Analog Scott 14:10:30 02/01/12 (2)

Just stop. You've been Tinned...it's like being Rick Rolled only Tin goes on longer. - Enophile 16:51:36 02/01/12 (1)

LOL - Analog Scott 18:23:30 02/01/12 (0)

I said in "real time." Quite different from your reading. We'll just disagree about

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