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Yes... I respect women

Posted by Victor Khomenko (M) on January 23, 2002 at 11:14:11

In Reply to: Well Victor, we just see things a bit differently. posted by Audiophilander on January 23, 2002 at 10:29:33:

>>> "Surely you are not suggesting this (i.e., inspiring four sequels) is any criteria for evaluation, expecially in the American culture, are you?" <<<
***No, I mentioned that as an indication of it's popularity

I know... but... popularity is NOT what we were talking about. "Popularity" is purely the American trash culture phenomena, and I would rather have nothing to do with it.

We were talking about art of directing movies.

Art of directing movies has nothing to do with popularity. Poularity answers the need of the lowest denominator. Art attempts to pull people up, not down.

***as a theme and as an indication of which films I consider worth one's time (i.e., Alien & Aliens); Alien is worthy of evaluation on other levels within the context of it being a superior horror/SF genre film.

Ah, OK... we have bigger fish to fry.

>>> "Well, that "criteria" (i.e., the depiction of women seeking independence in a male-dominated society) is at the same level as the first, or even lower." <<<

***Oh really, how is that? You don't consider this a relevent social topic?

What does being a "relevant social topic" have to do with the quality of directing? Are discussing the New York Times editorial or a movie? You said Scott was a good director... OK... but what on Earth does the nature of subject in his film has to do with his aptitude or lack thereoff? Except impressing the likely minded individuals who would flock at the theaters when "their" movie is shown?

>>> "What on Earth do your political feelings have to to with artistic merits of a film and with talent of the director?" <<<

***Quite a lot actually, but not necessarily just "my" feelings. The skillful weaving of messages has been an important part of film-maker's craft since early on in the history of cinema.

Absolutely not. You just want to make us believe that so we would get used to that fairly new notion of social agenda driven lame works.

>>> "Haven't we had enough politically correct trash already to stop giving this aspect Any attention?" <<<

***That depends on two things: what I consider "politically correct" and what you consider "trash" and I'm confident that we have differing perspectives of what constitutes both.

To not see the simple fact that in today's American society political trash plays very important role is impossible. This country is being raped and movies like T&L are contributing to that.

>>> "Those two bimbos as role models? Give me a break..." <<<

***Is THAT your "intelligent appraisal" of the film Thelma & Louise? Move over Roger Ebert, big Vic's movin' in! ;^)

First thing first - I have zero respect for Ebert, who is one of the idiots responsible for creating dumb movie-going, popcorn munching masses.

However, you seem to be fixated on the idea of any anti-hero being good as long as he is against the establishment.

I have to tell you that parading those two dumb anti-social bimbos as some sort of heroes and role models is extremely demeaning to women. This displays the worst of the new militant sexism - something you apparently firmly believe in.

So we are leaving the paradigm of gentle and smart women - your Myrna Loy type (they were too dumb to you - they didn't drink, fight, steal - and are embracing the scum like T&L because they... they do something in the male-dominated society... swell... thanks AuPh for bringing us to that new low.

As I said - your position IS demeaning to women.

But then again = WHAT does all that have to do with the director's skills?

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