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In Reply to: "If I was a troll, I'd have handled my responses differently than I have, goading you even further." LOL! posted by Audiophilander on December 25, 2003 at 23:54:12:
I never refered to you as a troll, but if that's what is on your mind, then there's probably a reason for it.It's all implied in the way you're responding to my posts.
Seriously Troy, you may THINK that I have "thin skin" but that's just another example of an uninformed opinion clouding your judgment. Folks who know me, know better.
Then stop acting like my words hurt you. As if calling these stories "Childrens Fare" is like telling you your mother wears army boots (or a more poignant anecdote). Why does calling these stories CF bug you so much? Because it's true?
you had to remark on the film in a derogatory manner that went beyond objective criticism, dismissing the film on grounds that were too subjectively personal in nature.
The whole crux of this silly exchange is that you take umbrage with me dismissing the Tolkien stories as "Childrens Fare". What's the big deal? Why does that continue to rile you so? Why do you insist on taking this in such a derrogatory manner? Why so sensitive about it? Plenty of adults read comic books, Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh too. Heck, enjoy yourself with the Ring flicks, but don't try and make this juvenile fantasy story into something deeper than it is. They are no more philosophically complex than the Star Wars movies.
->>> "It seems that you can't get past that first blush of 'Children's fare'." <<<-
That's because this is how you summed up the value of the film! Unfortunately, all the other critical points you offered were merely a means to this end.
Yes, that's true. You asked me to validate why I called it childrens fare and I explained that it's ultimately simplistic and obvious lowest common denominator material, ergo, made for children to understand. That is STILL how I sum up this series of movies.
but what is there to gain by ignoring the grand achievement (i.e., the BIG picture) while focusing on minor flaws? YOU, on the other hand, apparently wanted to build your case on loose accusations rather than evidence.
What loose accusations? Do I have to spell out the corny and obvious nature of every scene in the movie for you? As if that's going to change your mind! Why waste both of our time? You liked, no, loved these stories and it pisses you off to have someone like me come along and say that it's corny, pretentious and terribly obvious in it's depiction of human nature and the nature of good and evil.
->>> "Relax, bub, relax." <<<-
You do likewise, 'chum', and watch out for the sharks when you're using yourself as the bait!
Cute. But there again, you seem to take this as being competitive in some way. Like you can win with me, as if I'm trying to win, myself. As if there is something TO win. I'm just stating my opinions here, however (incorrectly) unfounded you seem to think they are. Each time I call these stories CF and you take it personally only shows that you have some problem with being told that you like CF when there really is nothing wrong with it. Why are you the only one getting so upset about it?
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Follow Ups
- Hey, I'm just playing nice here - Troy 17:29:54 12/26/03 (3)
- One last time; I'll see your nice ante and raise it as politely as I can: - Audiophilander 00:48:27 12/27/03 (2)
- We just don't see eye to eye - Troy 08:42:43 12/27/03 (1)
- "chasing windmills" ...? Wrong movie; wrong book! Terry Gilliam has thus far failed where Peter Jackson succeeded. - Audiophilander 09:21:51 12/29/03 (0)
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