In Reply to: Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! posted by Analog Scott on June 27, 2005 at 11:30:03:
Kubuki should be judged as Kubuki, not as something it isn't, is that your point? Well, it's a good one.Victor's criticism of LoTR, however, has nothing to do with its being fantasy. It may be that he'd not like what he saw no matter how it was filmed, but I doubt that.
LoTR is inept filmmaking and story-telling through-and-through. I grew up with Tolkien, and while I still wax nostalgic over his work, I don't regard it as high literary art, though I do regard Middle Earth to be a great fiction. I don't, therefore, hold the original sacrosanct--in general, I understand that the translation of a literary work to film requires processes of restructuring, compression, and re-imagination, and all with an artistic integrity on the part of the translating filmmaker. In the adaptation of a novel to film, the film should be a free adaptation. Neither film nor novel should have a parasitic relationship to the other. In the end, the film should be judged on the extent to which it's a good film, not on the extent to which it was faithful to its source.
That said, the list of Jackson's departures in content and style, not to mention his interpolations, had the effect of making me realize that Tolkien was a much more accomplished story teller than I'd given him credit for. I think Tolkien has ample cause to be rolling in his grave because of those films, though maybe he's resting well knowing how many readers were sent to his novels after viewing them.
Seriously, though. I've seen no effort on the part of LoTR defenders here to defend the film as a film. "Oh, Victor doesn't like orcs on wargs!--or was it goblins? [That's the lingo, Victor, for 'animal-looking "people" riding wild boars-like "horses"'] He just doesn't get it!" Well, I have nothing against that sort of thing per se and I thought that whole sequence of the film to be outragiously stupid.
I could go on and on and on. I think I have here before.
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Follow Ups
- I don't get your analogy - Bulkington 12:55:27 06/27/05 (28)
- "LoTR is inept filmmaking and story-telling through-and-through." Oh, YES! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:13:04 06/28/05 (4)
- You are both wrong, but at least Bulkington is original; if you were any more of a YES man... - Audiophilander 10:16:04 06/28/05 (3)
- Re: You are both wrong, but at least Bulkington is original; if you were any more of a YES man... - Analog Scott 10:44:00 06/28/05 (2)
- "You can't join Yes and hate LotRs" - Bulkington 10:50:11 06/28/05 (1)
- You might be. ;-) nt - Analog Scott 14:27:10 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Analog Scott 16:02:58 06/27/05 (8)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Bulkington 07:18:42 06/28/05 (7)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Analog Scott 11:25:48 06/28/05 (3)
- " I see nothing more substantial than the drival you have posted on this thread" - Bulkington 15:21:46 06/28/05 (0)
- Perhaps it made some sense to you when you wrote it... - Victor Khomenko 11:28:22 06/28/05 (1)
- Sorry. nt - Analog Scott 16:51:39 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - jamesgarvin 09:03:24 06/28/05 (2)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Victor Khomenko 11:26:05 06/28/05 (1)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - jamesgarvin 13:09:20 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - jamesgarvin 15:26:41 06/27/05 (12)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Bulkington 07:38:10 06/28/05 (0)
- You live by your analogy, and you die by it - Victor Khomenko 16:20:32 06/27/05 (10)
- Jeeesus, Victor...Shrek?!?!? n/t - PCL 11:00:18 06/28/05 (8)
- Shocking... heh? - Victor Khomenko 14:17:41 06/28/05 (7)
- "Patrick might tell you I also love Clueless..." - I think that you love BEING clueless! (nt) - Audiophilander 16:08:34 06/28/05 (6)
- Re: How profound and cute of you! nt - patrickU 05:06:28 06/29/05 (5)
- It would be even more profound if your nom-de-plume were "Clueless," but I doubt that you'd find that as cute. (nt) - Audiophilander 10:35:46 06/29/05 (4)
- Re: Well you are some kind of slow.... - patrickU 11:27:06 06/29/05 (3)
- Re: Well you are some kind of slow.... - patrickU 12:05:51 06/29/05 (1)
- Only to anger. - Audiophilander 13:37:45 06/29/05 (0)
- Archivists. (nt) - Audiophilander 11:50:58 06/29/05 (0)
- Re: You live by your analogy, and you die by it - jamesgarvin 08:26:05 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: Yes this matter had been more than largely discussed. - patrickU 13:09:05 06/27/05 (0)