In Reply to: Re: I don't get your analogy posted by jamesgarvin on June 27, 2005 at 15:26:41:
LOTR is not "high-art", nor was it intended to be. It was intended to be escapist fun, the operative word being fun. If your life is always serious, and devoid of fun, then LOTR is not the film for you. Save yourself time and energy.What do you mean by high art? What do you mean by fun? Where do you get this notion that the films' detractors are a bunch of frowning grumps?
I don't see the LoTR films as the Beatle's to some imagined alternate version as Bach. I see them more as, I don't know:
"Stonehenge, where the demons dwell
Where the banshees live and they do live well
Stonehenge
Where a man is a man and the children dance to
the pipes of pan
Stonehenge
Tis a magic place where the moon doth rise
With a dragon's face
Stonehenge
Where the virgins lie
And the prayer of devils fill the midnight sky
And you my love, won't you take my hand
We'll go back in time to that mystic land
Where the dew drops cry and the cats meow
I will take you there
I will show you how"How smart can you be in asking a film to deliver something it never intended to deliver, and then criticising it for it's failure?
What do you think I wish it had delivered instead?
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Victor Khomenko 10:27:00 06/27/05 (101)
- "Fantasy is not about looking like dreck." Yes it is! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:11:18 06/28/05 (1)
- Are you suggesting that those head shots you had taken for the Senior's Singles Classifieds really worked?!?! (nt) - Audiophilander 09:40:31 06/28/05 (0)
- God help you! Next you'll - tinear 06:28:22 06/28/05 (9)
- That is right... Patrick's refusal to grow up and mature has been most upsetting! - Victor Khomenko 07:27:46 06/28/05 (7)
- Re: That is right... Patrick's refusal to grow up and mature has been most upsetting! - patrickU 09:41:27 06/28/05 (6)
- You boys need to beat it, ... - Audiophilander 10:20:59 06/28/05 (5)
- Re: I wonder what kind of problems you have with your own sexuality? - patrickU 10:55:12 06/28/05 (4)
- None; watching you two cavorting around here is like a cross between... - Audiophilander 12:36:44 06/28/05 (0)
- Simple... he can't tolerate happy people... of either sex - Victor Khomenko 11:07:39 06/28/05 (2)
- "...happy people..." - Wow, what a phony euphemism for you, patrick & one or two other sycophants! (nt) - Audiophilander 11:48:43 06/29/05 (0)
- Re: Simple... he can't tolerate happy people... of either sex - patrickU 11:12:27 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: Not only the US public..... - patrickU 07:01:47 06/28/05 (0)
- Jesus, Jackson and Tolkien fans are as bad as Beatles fans. - Donald 01:25:18 06/28/05 (0)
- Instead of a cockatoo (patrick & Victor), we get kakafour (PdL & Donald as an added bonus) - Audiophilander 17:04:09 06/27/05 (17)
- Re: Insulting the intelligence... - patrickU 01:10:00 06/28/05 (5)
- "What more can be said?" - Not much, considering Victor's seminal cheap shots & your willingness to lap them up. (nt) - Audiophilander 09:47:00 06/28/05 (0)
- "What more can be said?" Just that it's altogether typical of a certain mind-set. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:22:22 06/28/05 (3)
- Just like insipid reviews from those who are clueless about LoTR is typical of a certain mind-set! - Audiophilander 10:06:18 06/28/05 (2)
- Re: He-he.... LoTR is a film where you have to understand anything? - patrickU 10:58:13 06/28/05 (1)
- "If so... I did not....." - Not surprising, but apparently you neither understood nor 'had fun with it.' - Audiophilander 12:11:53 06/28/05 (0)
- Does taking no truck with inept art and its apologists make one a troll? -nt- - Donald 01:06:49 06/28/05 (1)
- Re: Inept high tech. May be more appropriated. nt - patrickU 01:12:54 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: Instead of a cockatoo (patrick & Victor), we get kakafour (PdL & Donald as an added bonus) - RGA 17:49:42 06/27/05 (8)
- You make a very good point, & under normal circumstances I'd agree, but some of Victor's remarks go well beyond LoTR. - Audiophilander 21:46:05 06/27/05 (7)
- Two founding members of the Cry Baby club thus spoke. - Victor Khomenko 11:08:58 06/28/05 (6)
- "...Cry Baby club..." - I wonder if you can grasp the unintentional irony here? - Audiophilander 12:06:27 06/28/05 (5)
- Re: "...Cry Baby club..." - I wonder if you can grasp the unintentional irony here? - RGA 17:49:56 06/28/05 (4)
- "You give him what sustains him." - Naw, patrick does that; I'm just trying to keep him honest. - Audiophilander 22:37:32 06/28/05 (3)
- Re: "You give him what sustains him." - Naw, patrick does that; I'm just trying to keep him honest. - Victor Khomenko 06:24:24 06/29/05 (2)
- Re: "You give him what sustains him." - Naw, patrick does that; I'm just trying to keep him honest. - RGA 23:33:02 06/29/05 (0)
- "The hysterical immature tantrums you throw..." - Wow! Now that's what I call hypocrisy on top of irony!!! - Audiophilander 10:30:48 06/29/05 (0)
- Good for you Victor! - PdL 15:03:55 06/27/05 (7)
- Re: Good for you Victor! - Victor Khomenko 15:10:38 06/27/05 (6)
- LOL! It wouldn't surprise me if the closest you had ever been to "genuine leather" was instructing Elsie... - Audiophilander 23:10:11 06/27/05 (5)
- Re: Intelligent cinephiles who have a sincere appreciation of LOTR.... - patrickU 01:16:56 06/28/05 (4)
- "Now dear boy, you got a real problem..... " - Trolls who have their heads up each other's... - Audiophilander 11:31:43 06/28/05 (3)
- Re: Kindergarten is closed. nt - patrickU 11:46:37 06/28/05 (2)
- He's a nasty little bugger. I bet he too wants some paella. - Victor Khomenko 14:55:22 06/28/05 (0)
- At least until this topic comes up again, and you & Victor use the Film Asylum as your personal sand box again. (nt) - Audiophilander 12:17:29 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: My son! It is a hard trial for me but " domibus vobiscum..." - patrickU 11:14:17 06/27/05 (2)
- Re: My son! It is a hard trial for me but " domibus vobiscum..." - Victor Khomenko 11:20:44 06/27/05 (1)
- Re: My son! It is a hard trial for me but " domibus vobiscum..." - patrickU 11:36:18 06/27/05 (0)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Analog Scott 10:52:40 06/27/05 (58)
- Re: But I did!!!!! - patrickU 11:17:11 06/27/05 (0)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Victor Khomenko 11:15:21 06/27/05 (56)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Analog Scott 11:30:03 06/27/05 (55)
- I don't get your analogy - Bulkington 12:55:27 06/27/05 (28)
- "LoTR is inept filmmaking and story-telling through-and-through." Oh, YES! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:13:04 06/28/05 (4)
- You are both wrong, but at least Bulkington is original; if you were any more of a YES man... - Audiophilander 10:16:04 06/28/05 (3)
- Re: You are both wrong, but at least Bulkington is original; if you were any more of a YES man... - Analog Scott 10:44:00 06/28/05 (2)
- "You can't join Yes and hate LotRs" - Bulkington 10:50:11 06/28/05 (1)
- You might be. ;-) nt - Analog Scott 14:27:10 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Analog Scott 16:02:58 06/27/05 (8)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Bulkington 07:18:42 06/28/05 (7)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Analog Scott 11:25:48 06/28/05 (3)
- " I see nothing more substantial than the drival you have posted on this thread" - Bulkington 15:21:46 06/28/05 (0)
- Perhaps it made some sense to you when you wrote it... - Victor Khomenko 11:28:22 06/28/05 (1)
- Sorry. nt - Analog Scott 16:51:39 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - jamesgarvin 09:03:24 06/28/05 (2)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Victor Khomenko 11:26:05 06/28/05 (1)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - jamesgarvin 13:09:20 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - jamesgarvin 15:26:41 06/27/05 (12)
- Re: I don't get your analogy - Bulkington 07:38:10 06/28/05 (0)
- You live by your analogy, and you die by it - Victor Khomenko 16:20:32 06/27/05 (10)
- Jeeesus, Victor...Shrek?!?!? n/t - PCL 11:00:18 06/28/05 (8)
- Shocking... heh? - Victor Khomenko 14:17:41 06/28/05 (7)
- "Patrick might tell you I also love Clueless..." - I think that you love BEING clueless! (nt) - Audiophilander 16:08:34 06/28/05 (6)
- Re: How profound and cute of you! nt - patrickU 05:06:28 06/29/05 (5)
- It would be even more profound if your nom-de-plume were "Clueless," but I doubt that you'd find that as cute. (nt) - Audiophilander 10:35:46 06/29/05 (4)
- Re: Well you are some kind of slow.... - patrickU 11:27:06 06/29/05 (3)
- Re: Well you are some kind of slow.... - patrickU 12:05:51 06/29/05 (1)
- Only to anger. - Audiophilander 13:37:45 06/29/05 (0)
- Archivists. (nt) - Audiophilander 11:50:58 06/29/05 (0)
- Re: You live by your analogy, and you die by it - jamesgarvin 08:26:05 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: Yes this matter had been more than largely discussed. - patrickU 13:09:05 06/27/05 (0)
- "It means that to a large extent we get out from a movie or music or any other art depends highly on what we bring..." - Donald 12:08:36 06/27/05 (18)
- Re: "It means that to a large extent we get out from a movie or music or any other art depends highly on what we bring.. - Analog Scott 12:30:46 06/27/05 (17)
- The books are for unintelligent children and sub-moronic adults. - Donald 13:00:18 06/27/05 (2)
- Sad, but true. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:26:39 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: The books are for unintelligent children and sub-moronic adults. - Analog Scott 16:05:41 06/27/05 (0)
- "Yeah JRR Tolkien was an idiot and you are a genius." - Bulkington 12:58:24 06/27/05 (13)
- Re: "Yeah JRR Tolkien was an idiot and you are a genius." - Analog Scott 16:09:39 06/27/05 (12)
- Re: "Yeah JRR Tolkien was an idiot and you are a genius." - Bulkington 07:51:34 06/28/05 (11)
- Re: "Yeah JRR Tolkien was an idiot and you are a genius." - Analog Scott 09:31:55 06/28/05 (10)
- Aids for Scott - Bulkington 10:47:19 06/28/05 (7)
- Re: Aids for Scott - Analog Scott 11:52:01 06/29/05 (4)
- Wha, wha, whaaaaaaaaa. - Bulkington 14:00:02 06/29/05 (2)
- This is a step up for you so far. Keep trying. nt - Analog Scott 15:58:16 06/29/05 (1)
- Re: This is a step up for you so far. Keep trying. nt - Bulkington 09:15:43 06/30/05 (0)
- That was actually Patrick... - PCL 12:32:25 06/29/05 (0)
- Did a search.. - PCL 11:03:33 06/28/05 (1)
- Thanks!-nt - Bulkington 14:20:56 06/28/05 (0)
- Re: "Yeah JRR Tolkien was an idiot and you are a genius." - Bulkington 10:26:37 06/28/05 (1)
- Re: "Yeah JRR Tolkien was an idiot and you are a genius." - Analog Scott 18:23:02 06/28/05 (1)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Victor Khomenko 12:00:13 06/27/05 (2)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Analog Scott 12:47:11 06/27/05 (1)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Victor Khomenko 14:09:31 06/27/05 (0)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - patrickU 11:39:24 06/27/05 (3)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Analog Scott 11:59:48 06/27/05 (2)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - patrickU 12:54:50 06/27/05 (1)
- Re: Forgive me Patrick, for I've sinned! - Analog Scott 16:27:12 06/27/05 (0)
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- Re: I don't get your analogy - Bulkington 07:38:10 06/28/05 (0)