In Reply to: More disagreement here, you seem to be just re-stating your vision... posted by Victor Khomenko on January 16, 2007 at 06:16:43:
If you are going to buy into this kind of prejudicial belief system we have nothing more to talk about. I guess Kubrick is just another "Hollywood" film maker that never made a film that didn't fail "to steal your dreams or it's own promise" I guess Tinear must not have liked any of his movies. the idea that all film kmakers are bound to make a certain kind of movie because of their culture is absurd. Each movie is indeed it's own entitiy. Each movie will have it's own set of influences and in ^many^ cases those influences will be the culture of the film makers home but certainly not always. I'd like to see what Mexican cultural influences you think were affecting Children of Men? Is that a "Mexican" movie? Is it an "English" movie? Is it a "Hollywood" movie? Technically it is a "Hollywood" move but I'd like to know what you think this film is? What culture and tradition is this film a product of? If you say "Hollywood" then you clearly prove me right that the hasty generalizations made towards "Hollywood" are idiotic yet if you say "Mexican" or English" I think you will have a very difficult time supporting it.As for your cultural elitism comments, they are laughable. The idea that America lacks the cultural history and tradition to make good movies makes me think you have no knowledge of American history. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Sorry Victor but everything you are saying here is purely ignorant and prejudicial. Did you know The United States of America actually has the oldest standing government on the face of this earth? Have you travelled the U.S? If so did you really fail to see the rich cultural heritiage of it's many regions? I mean can you really go to New Orleans or Boston or Chicago, or Santa Fe or any number of other places and not plainly see the effects of their rich cultural histories? Your comment is utterly absurd. Jazz, Blues, country and rock and roll were all the products of American culture. Hell 20th century world cultere was led by the nose by American culture. planes, trains and automobiles. I could go on and on. But the idea that we lack the culture to make good movies is silly stupid.
Your back to "Hollywood" comments, I hate to say it< speak of your ignorance in regards to how films are made both "Hollywood" films and films from other countries. The fact that you would see *the* divide as a national one and not one of the film makers themsleves tells me you neither know much about the making of films nor can you see past your own prejudices.
Sorry, I know this post was a bit rough on you but I call it like I see it. Feel free to prove me wrong. Just take my one example, The Children of Men, and show me that your assertions about "Hollywood" films is right and I will concede everything to you. even the absurd notion that America lacks the cultural history to make good movies ::cough::
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Follow Ups
- Each film is definitely not its own entity, it is also the product of the local culture and tradition.? Wrong - Analog Scott 09:59:25 01/16/07 (3)
- Speaking in louder voice? - Victor Khomenko 14:35:25 01/16/07 (2)
- no, just cllin it the way I see it. - Analog Scott 19:45:12 01/16/07 (1)
- He-he... I wasn't selling anything - Victor Khomenko 20:03:04 01/16/07 (0)