In Reply to: What a great example of a guy in denial. Read the quote, again. posted by tinear on November 20, 2007 at 08:45:50:
I think Scott took issue with your premise that the director's cut is generally bogus. There is nothing "sacrosanct" about the original script. But Scott's valid point is that the original director's version contains his or her original vision for the film, the artistic vision, if you will, whereas the studio makes the edits for financial reasons. We want a shorter film because we can show the film more times per day, and therefore make more money, etc. Or the studio brings in a test audience, and the studio cuts a film based upon what the test audience "likes", as opposed to what is "good."
You should be very aware of the latter, having seen and praised Hollywoodland, which contained a scene showing one of Reeve's serious film efforts being cut from the film (I believe it was On the Waterfront)because a test audience cracked jokes when he was on the screen. The editing was not performed to make the film a better film, but to make it more popular, and, in the end, to make more money for the studio. I think Scott acknowledged that there were a few examples where the studio edited a film to make it better, but they generally edit the film to conform to an audience's taste, or to make more money.
The director's cut allows the audience to see the film as the director intended. I am surprised, in light of your love of films off the beaten track which are generally very director oriented, that you would defend and condone the studio's practice of changing the director's vision, edits that are generally made to make the the studio more money. I would have thought you would argue that the director, an artist, should be able to present his or her art to the public without bean counters repainting the canvas which the director painted. Whether a version of the film is based upon a director's vision, versus one made for commerce, I would have thought you would support the former.
But I guess that is the hyprocrisy of being the Tinman - the argument is what is important, and is more important than taking and maintaining a consistent position throughout different posts. And while I thought your arrogance and conceit knows no bounds, I am amazed that you apparently know more of the process, and the reasons therefor, than someone involved in it. Or not.
And I am not sure that God invented producers. You mean, like in a lab. Seeing as how the producer is the least creative person in the process, generally either funding the film, or securing the funding for the film, I am not sure I would give their "vision" as much import as you obviously do. It seems that whether the producer or the director is more important depends upon which day it is, and which cat you need to skin.
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- RE: What a great example of a guy in denial. Read the quote, again. - jamesgarvin 12:35:36 11/20/07 (25)
- RE: Reeve's footage - rico 02:12:49 11/21/07 (0)
- Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - tinear 13:09:22 11/20/07 (23)
- man you really are clueless - Analog Scott 06:31:20 11/22/07 (0)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - jamesgarvin 14:19:39 11/20/07 (21)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - Peter H-son 22:05:58 11/21/07 (20)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - jamesgarvin 09:10:46 11/24/07 (12)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - Peter H-son 13:56:13 11/24/07 (10)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - Analog Scott 14:08:48 11/24/07 (9)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - Peter H-son 15:42:40 11/24/07 (8)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - Analog Scott 16:34:43 11/24/07 (7)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - Peter H-son 16:55:27 11/24/07 (6)
- God yet another idiot - Analog Scott 18:07:47 11/24/07 (5)
- RE: God yet another idiot - Peter H-son 18:50:07 11/24/07 (4)
- i have no problem with people disagreeing with me - Analog Scott 18:57:31 11/24/07 (3)
- RE: i have no problem with people disagreeing with me - Peter H-son 06:59:52 11/25/07 (2)
- RE: i have no problem with people disagreeing with me - Analog Scott 08:23:51 11/25/07 (1)
- RE: i have no problem with people disagreeing with me - Peter H-son 10:06:59 11/25/07 (0)
- RE: Perhaps it doesn't occur to you and the other guy that - Analog Scott 09:43:31 11/24/07 (0)
- I'm pretty sure Kubrick did - Analog Scott 06:38:26 11/22/07 (6)
- Blockbusters "suck" because of the general subject matter: no - tinear 15:36:59 11/23/07 (4)
- RE: Blockbusters "suck" because of the general subject matter: no - Analog Scott 09:55:01 11/24/07 (3)
- Directors' cuts of Larry of A or Godfather? They also had - tinear 14:35:38 11/24/07 (1)
- RE: Directors' cuts of Larry of A or Godfather? They also had - Analog Scott 16:37:11 11/24/07 (0)
- The guys sits on the beach, does not work, lives off his wife's dime, and you are only on "pulp?" Idiot.nt - jamesgarvin 10:22:30 11/24/07 (0)
- RE: I'm pretty sure Kubrick did - Peter H-son 07:15:22 11/22/07 (0)